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1  All across the Great Western territory / Who's who on Western railways / Re: Ben Rule replaces Kevin Gale on: May 16, 2013, 14:19:33
As an outsider -
More recently Ben has been leading the strategic input for Operations as part of the
National Express rail franchise bid team
.
Take out key players from the opposition?

Not sure how correct the information is but I am told that Kevin Gale is now fairly high up in the National Express coach business.

Having just had a quick look at LinkedIn, it seems he is now operations director at National Express.
2  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Announcement volumes on: May 16, 2013, 12:42:58
Whilst on the subject of announcements, there was an item on ITV News yesterday regarding FGW (First Great Western)'s new policy of a reduction in standard announcements, and the fact that the TM(resolve)'s are all getting training.

You mean This ITV News item?
 Grin

I suspect some of the safety related ones will creep back in, I'm sure someone will claim against the company for not being told to mind the gap, don't eat the soap in the toilets, etc.
3  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 16, 2013, 06:10:22
Latterday version of class 150 retaining the virtues of simplicity and light weight is what's required....
But there are class 150s running around on regional express (and close to that) services. What is needed is more regional express units, basicly class 158s, as fuel-efficent and cheap-to-run as possible. No more class 150 surburban 'middly doors' creating dead space within the train on regional express services, and it'd release those 150s for use on shorter journeys.
Problem is no-one has defined what sort of secondary services these notional new trains are for. If your using them on things like Devon Metro local services end doors is the last thing you want. Slows the boarding / alighting times down big style. Wherever you have doors, your not going to have seats, please define 'Dead Space'. My definition is space within the body used for equipment that should be below solebar level. Such as the equipment rack behind the emergency equipment cupboard next to the toilet on class 153.
4  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 15, 2013, 17:24:41
Modern trains have become so hugely expensive that the seats have to be crammed in and other facilities withdrawn in order to try and contain the cost per seat.
There might be a case for building a longer version but I cant support regular multiple working and through gangways, too much to go wrong and to add cost and weight.
Irrespective of whether you want to run the trains multied up or not you require the means to do so in case you ever want to cater for greater than expected loadings. You also need the means to tow the unit dead with full brake continuity at full normal speeds with another suitable train if your train fails. Unless your going to move the train by road from its route to the depot / workshop. You won't get many pathways for low speed unbraked moves on today's railway.

The BSI (British Standards Institute) couplings and electrical boxes on FGW (First Great Western) DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit)'s are perfectly reliable if maintained properly and this appears to be the case with the FGW units. So I'm not sure quite why your not supporting the ability to multi the trains together.
5  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 15, 2013, 12:53:02
Rather than single car longer 153 what about an articulated 2/3 car 20m coach train. less waste of space more seats.

The problem with articulation being one of axle loading on the intermediate bogies. Remember that whatever you build has to meet the relevant end loading and crash resistance requirements, which adds to the weight. You also loose the ability to rapidly remove cars from the set for repair while leaving the rest of the set in service. As is done with the FGW (First Great Western) 158/9 fleet.

Latterday version of class 150 retaining the virtues of simplicity and light weight is what's required....
6  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 15, 2013, 07:27:12
A newer longer version of the class 153 but a demu with pantograph, run it as a one car on little used turns, in multiple at busy times, Cardiff-pompy could run as electric to Bristol and diesel down to pompy (Southampton is getting overhead at some point and using third rail would not be impossible)

Only problem with that is (apart from all the kit you need to somehow find space for under the coach floor and the sheer weight of the thing) is the fact single cars obviously need a driving cab on each end. Therefore when you multi them up you now have loads of dead space within the train in the form of unused driving cabs. I can't see a whole string of single car EDMU's running along with their pantographs up going down too well with the OHLE people either.

It took quite a bit of doing to get 153's cleared for various South West rural routes and they are still banned beyond Southampton. and that's with 76 foot coaches. How much longer were you thinking of making them and how much less internal width do you think the passengers will accept in order to get the extra length?
7  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 14, 2013, 23:16:04
My proposed cheap and simple trains need not be uncomfortable, some passengers might actualy prefer them.
I would think of an internal layout a bit like an old BR (British Rail(ways)) MK11 standard open.

When such coaches were recently used on scheduled services from Taunton many customers compared them favourably to modern stock.
Which is because the trains were effectively three and a half coaches long, one coach having a brake end. Replicate that seating layout on a two coach train with a cab on the end of each coach and you'll be lucky if you have 100 seats. Still the passengers will have somewhere comfortable to stand.

For Mk2 (Mark 2 coach) coach think more in terms of Inverness based 158's with bays of seats round tables. You'll then catch my drift.

You could have more vehicles of course but somebody then has to stump up the leasing costs for the extra vehicles....
8  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 14, 2013, 23:10:45
Is it a bit late to point out that Metro Cammel no longer build trains.

The Chinese to a good line in lightweight rolling stock.
Which will probably have rusted out before it arrives off the boat in the UK (United Kingdom). I keep hearing people going on about these Chinese trains, no-ones ordered any yet for UK use I notice...
9  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 14, 2013, 23:07:58
I was thinking more of something cheap for routes that at present use single single car units, or for new minor routes where the cost of modern stock is prohibitive, not replacing turbos.
What you actually need to do is go back to first principles and come up with a latter day version of class 150. Simple, light (by today's standards) robust no thrills reliable branch line transport. You could of course electrify the various interrurban routes and reallocate the 150's currently being used on them on rural routes. Rather than trying to build some sort of crap tram train thing for rural lines.

Ideally what you do is upgrade them with new engines and transmissions for greater fuel economy, although the current driveline certainly is reliable enough as it is.
10  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: New type of train needed for secondary routes ? on: May 14, 2013, 23:01:12
Regarding single glazed opening windows "not being ideal for energy conservation" there is no energy to conserve ! no air conditioning to be fitted, and heating to be free from the engine coolant, it being no more wastful to open a window than it is to dispose of the heat from the engine cooling system.
So what do you use for heat if the engine has been started from cold or has been idling / coasting for some time and isn't putting much heat into the coolant then?

Single glazed windows increase condensation problems on cold wet days and have to have additional anti spall films added on the inside to prevent the window ending up on the passengers laps if rocks / stones are thrown at the train. Better off with double glazed windows with laminated glass on the inner layer.
11  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Signalling - centralised operations may lead to wider problems in the future? on: May 14, 2013, 22:55:00
Of course it doesn't have to be a fire.  Think of the problems over a wide area when there was a power failure at Swindon Panel in February. http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=12086.0

Are there any plans to have local emergency control in case of problems?  As I understand it there used to be (maybe still are) emergency mini-panels at places like Weston-super-Mare and Newbury which could operate in cases of a failure at the main centre.
There isn't one at Weston Super Mare anymore. It has been removed fairly recently. The panel was located in the chargmans office in the station buildings on the up side. There was I believe some dispute between Network Rail and the Bristol Panel signallers about sending them down there on Sundays to operate it occasionally to retain familiarality with it so out it came.....
12  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture - related rail and other transport issues / Re: Diesel shunter by road on: April 22, 2013, 09:02:03
The shunter at Long Rock gets regular use in connection with the sleeper stock from the Night Riviera.
Correct. In fact after the accident at Mexico Crossing (far end of Long Rock) propelling the sleepers to and from the station is frowned upon.

The 08 has been out of action for a couple of months, looks like its back again.
13  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Dawlish and Dawlish Warren sea defences - ongoing concerns and issues discussion on: April 19, 2013, 17:36:29
The seawall has taken a battering over the last few days with strong winds coupled with high tides.  However I am not aware of any major disruption although there are quite a few 143s running round with salt caked windows on one side.

This was the scene near Teignmouth at 11am on Easter Day.



They have had problems with the Seawall down by Colonade Viaduct and the Ice cream hut last week. Was 5mph on the down but now normal speed again. Much work including putting some more concrete round the walkway / ice cream hut / breakwater...
14  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Car hit by train at Athelney Level Crossing - man killed - 21 March 2013 on: April 18, 2013, 21:07:00
I agree with 81F. There seems to be no instruction that explicitly covers this situation (premature operation) in the railway's rule "book". I'm not going to speculate further in advance of the RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch)'s full report.
For 'Railway Rule Book' read 'Highway Code'. Motorists do not operate to the Railway Rule Book. They supposedly work to the Highway Code and whatever signage is provided at the crossing for their guidance, especially if it is suspected the AHB has failed safe in the 'closed' position.
15  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Car hit by train at Athelney Level Crossing - man killed - 21 March 2013 on: April 18, 2013, 20:59:50
The engineering train had probably passed over some time before the passing of the HST (High Speed Train), as they were using the same line. Because the engineering train had used the wrong line the barriers went down when the route was set across the crossing, not when the HST activated the sequence automatically, which could have meant the barriers went down earlier than they would have normally.

AHB appears to have operated when the signaller cleared E93 signal (last Exeter controlled signal on the Up Athelney). The OTM having previously run over the Strike In point as it travelled 'bang road' back to the possession limits and crossover road at Cogload Jn. Where 1A73 was when signal E93 was cleared isn't yet known.

Will be an interesting read when it's published.
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