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3511  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: HS2 - Government proposals, alternative routes and general discussion on: August 18, 2013, 22:35:22
I think that the HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) issue has been muddled, as usual by sectional interest lobbying from the industries that want the contracts and UK (United Kingdom) Regions that want infrastructure without the bill.

IMHO (in my humble opinion) there are two issues; the desirability of TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse)'s operating on the InterCity (dates me!) network and the need for more capacity particularly on the WCML (West Coast Main Line).


The capacity issue is I contend because of the amount of freight routed this way, especially South of Rugby, not because of IC (Inter City) (VWC) & LM (London Midland - recent franchise) traffic.

The capacity issue could be addressed by reopening the 34 miles of the GC» (Great Central Railway - link to heritage line) line between Calvert and Rugby, in many ways much the same route as HS2 but for freight mainly. While there will always be more congestion nearer London, there do seem to be a lot of disused loops etc closer in.

Yes you could do that but you still have to get it North of Rugby and South of Aylesbury.

The route from Rugby to Birmingham is heavily congested. I am not sure how much capacity there is on the Trent Valley route either. 

As for capacity south of Aylesbury...

The TGV issue depends on how far and at what cost the UK rail system can be made suitable.

The TGV issue could be addressed by easing the curves on the main lines including some new stretches and improving clearances. Not every km of track needs to be cleared for 250mph. About 25% of UK main line route needs such  attention (our lines  were built to much better alignments than in mainland Europe).

I don't accept that this would be too disruptive; it was how BR (British Rail(ways)) created the IC network in the 1960's and 70's.

They did indeed do improvements.  To do that they had the advantage of a much less busy system.  I am sure the users of FGW (First Great Western) Coffepot would understand the need to close Wooton Basset to Filton for an 18 month (?) blockade to sort the problems out like they did in the mid 70's. 

You could also do that to sections of the WCML to do widening.  What was that about a 365/24 railway?
3512  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Great Western franchise extension - ongoing discussion, merged topic on: August 16, 2013, 19:49:29
If they want us to book more by machine they are going to have to make the machines more intelligent so that they can give the same advice the booking office is required to give as part of their franchise.
3513  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / An interesting discussion on the times at which posts are posted ... on: August 15, 2013, 22:37:42
presumably he just searched the database of posts for that time. Simple.
3514  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture - related rail and other transport issues / Re: Train passenger gets pizza delivered to her carrriage mid-journey on: August 14, 2013, 13:06:30

We could also have all trains stop for a meal break during longer journeys - long distance coaches do it already, and I believe at one time it was proposed that all trains stop for at least 10 minutes at Swindon to allow people to get / buy refreshments - in fact I think the propel was actually implemented for a time Grin

When they got to build Swindon the GWR (Great Western Railway) were running short of money. The contractor offered to build the station for free if he had the catering concession and made all trains stop for 10 minutes at Swindon.

This situation lasted until the 1890's when the GWR decided they needed to loose their reputation for being slow (the fast route to London then was to take the Midland and South Western Junction Railway (MSWJR) train from Swindon Old Town to Andover and take a London and South Western Railway (LSWR (London South Western Railway)) train to Waterloo).  The GWR therefore had to buy out their contractor.
3515  Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: One less HST stopping at Maidenhead from August 10th - pm? on: August 13, 2013, 07:43:35
So I was right.. There IS a spare HST (High Speed Train)  Roll Eyes Tongue

Not necessarily. If another HST is being stabled at Cheltenham rather than coming back to Old Oak Common depot then that will not be maintained. The HSTs still all need to be maintained or they will become more unreliable.
3516  Journey by Journey / Swindon to Gloucester / Cheltenham / Re: Swindon to Kemble re-doubling - ongoing discussion and updates on: August 11, 2013, 15:11:34
Lots of the tracklaying machines on the line behind B&Q in Swindon yesterday.
3517  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Reading Station improvements on: August 11, 2013, 09:07:20
Platforms 2 & 3 had what appeared to be timber supports holding up the platform edges. It appears to me that platforms 1 & 2 appear to have been resurfaced now. Can anyone confirm this and has this timber now been removed from the platform edge?
3518  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture - related rail and other transport issues / Re: More North-West Electrification on: August 11, 2013, 08:42:01
Excellent news re Windemere.

What about Barrow next?
I do not believe that Barrow has had through trains in recent years.  The route from Carnforth to Barrow and Carlise is much more self contained.  The case for electrification is therefore more difficult to make.

Barrow actually has a better TPE (Trans Pennine Express) service than Windermere in terms of longer distance services, with a 2-hourly service from Manchester Airport (with Northern filling the gaps to provide roughly an hourly service).  The Barrow route was shut for a prolonged period recently whilst extensive viaduct repairs were undertaken.  Windermere did have a few more direct trains a few years back but now basically has only a shuttle service to/from Oxenholme, with just the two direct trains from Manchester and the odd extra one from Preston/Lancaster.

That being said, I don't think the Barrow route will be electrified any time soon as it's a lot longer than the Windermere branch and would be a bugger to electrify given the two very long viaducts.  Barrow, judging from a visit a few years ago, is in desperate need of an economic boost though, so it's a pity in some ways, and there must be fears that the direct service to Manchester would be threatened without electrification?

Thanks II I had not appreciated that.  Nevertheless without the additional benefits of better stock utilisation that comes from electrifying an isolated short branch in an otherwise electrified area, it will be more difficult to build a case for a line with only an hourly service.  Initially it was not considered that it would be economic to electrify to Swansea with only an hourly service. 
3519  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture - related rail and other transport issues / Re: More North-West Electrification on: August 10, 2013, 22:10:04
Excellent news re Windemere.

What about Barrow next?
I do not believe that Barrow has had through trains in recent years.  The route from Carnforth to Barrow and Carlise is much more self contained.  The case for electrification is therefore more difficult to make.
3520  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Trains travelling in the wrong direction, will this happen more frequently? on: August 10, 2013, 13:55:14
Ok ill say this again, it was a geniune concern...

We appreciate it is a genuine concern that you have. We are just trying to reassure you that it was safe. Inconvenient, yes! Annoying, yes! But perfectly safe.

What we are saying is over 150 years of railway signal development has tried to learn from each accident to make systems safer and safer as time has gone on.

Unlike a car a train can only make a turning if the signaller sets the points and the points can only be moved if the signals are already set so that there cannot be another train coming along the line.  In the days when there were levers it would be physically impossible to move the lever because an interlocking bar would be in the way.  If you want to see how this works a visit to the STEAM museum in Swindon is recommended. You can then even try for yourself!

Nowadays it is done with electronics which fail safe by stopping everything if they go wrong. Hence the chaos when things do go wrong. But it is safe chaos!

The most recent weakness fixed was signals passed at danger using the Train protection and Warning System as Graham has pointed out. This means that if the driver, for any reason passes a signal at danger the train will stop automatically.
3521  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Trains travelling in the wrong direction, will this happen more frequently? on: August 10, 2013, 12:21:27
Ahh that makes sense now.

The driver did not have to change ends as the train reverses at Redhill. So it was due to turn right to go to Reigate but the points and signals were set for it to go straight on.

Shouldn't the driver have noticed a signal with some sort of indicator saying which way the route was set before he/she got there? In which case shouldn't he/she have been able to stop and advise the signaller of the error?

Whatever way the route was set so there was no risk of an accident.
3522  Journey by Journey / Chiltern Railways services / Re: Chiltern Evergreen 3 project - ongoing discussion on: August 08, 2013, 22:12:44
i am surprised Chiltern got that order from the High Court to continue its work. Its all too easy for even one person to derail the project.

I thought it was more a matter that they did not get an order to tell them to stop.
3523  Journey by Journey / Transport for London / Re: Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion on: August 08, 2013, 22:09:23
Network Southeast, its no fun for people who are trying to sleep to hear a blazing loud horn, especially late at night. If you lived near a railway you would understand. If the problem continues people will start complaining and it may mean certain compensation if there nights sleep is affected. After all it's unacceptable to sound it that frequently, but if it was less noisy then it would be ok. Just hoping Mrs Wilson won't complain...

I realise it is no fun but if you are stood next to an item of mechanical plant that is also making a lot of noise then the horn needs to be louder I am afraid. The construction industry has one of the worst records for health and safety of any industry and the railway maintenance part of that has not had a good record. I have never had to do it but I know one man who had to go and see a colleague's family to tell them their husband/father would not be coming home. I did not know him before, but he was always most particular about health and safety after then.

There is a solution to you sounding horns in the middle of the night though.  That is to shut the railway during the day to do the work at a more sociable hour.  It would be safer to do it in daylight as well.
3524  Journey by Journey / Chiltern Railways services / Re: Chiltern Evergreen 3 project - ongoing discussion on: August 06, 2013, 20:25:41
I thought they were doing it because they had a franchise commitment to do it.

No, their franchise simply specified that certain sums were to be spent on "services & stations" in their franchise, by certain dates. The projects that Chiltern wanted to do had to be approved by the DfT» (Department for Transport - about).

Just how they got the sign-off on Oxford (which isn't part of their original route), I doubt we shall ever know. Agreed it was chosen for the new profit stream - someone managed to persuade them that competition on the Oxford route was a good thing (or else good as a diversionary route when the PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains) route is shut)....

I am sure that their bid had a commitment to investigate the reopening the line from Princess Risborough through to Cowley and Oxford.  When they found this to be too costly they proposed the Bicester route instead. So a route to Oxford was in a list of projects for consideration, just not via Bicester.
3525  Journey by Journey / Chiltern Railways services / Re: Chiltern Mainline: Nice & Fast! on: August 06, 2013, 20:20:16
At the end of the day theres NO perfect rail operator, man the railways are seriously messed up, oh well lets try the road. Opps just hit a traffic jam.. Now what? Long live travelling in first class life style cause its sure not to last, oh dear what will people say then?

Of course there is no perfect operator, there are not enough trains an not enough track capacity, particularly as you get closer to London. That leads operators into difficult decisions balancing slower stopping services and faster long distance on the same tracks.  Ideally we would separate them with an extra set of tracks for say the fast trains.
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