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16  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles on: November 10, 2021, 12:26:30 pm
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Interesting footage for re-opening of the Dartmoor Line!
Is this what they mean by the media being London-centric?
I think it’s more “random YouTuber reads out press release over random stock footage to get clicks”…

Paul
17  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: Four track for Filton Bank - ongoing discussion on: November 09, 2021, 06:40:21 pm
This is the best place that I can think of asking as it's on Filton Bank and it spans all four tracks.
A little earlier on this day I travelled down the Filton Bank and only then noticed what looks to me like a huge new crossing between Narroways Junction and Stapleton Road station.  It's like a barrow crossing on steroids being easily two lane.  It does look very new, not least with the excavations each side for access.
Is it a recent addition or have I been woefully unobservant over the last few weeks and months?
If it is new, anyone know what it's for?
Sounds like a modern “road rail access point” - that’s from your description, I haven’t seen it myself.  Those yellow machines like excavators use them to get onto the rails, long term permanent structures have been installed for a while now... 
18  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: SWR service changes due to Salisbury Accident on: November 07, 2021, 01:41:55 pm
Probably not in the right place... and thanks for the info that Southampton may have been removed from the routing guide relatively recently.
The maps were changed in about 2013/14 or so. Apparently the background was that someone had been  told, (by the famous “man on a platform”), that a Basingstoke to Fareham season was valid via Salisbury and Southampton on the basis of it being a mapped route.

So when he was eventually challenged by a guard the individual complained, and SWT (South West Trains)’s reply was to let him off this time but they’d be changing the maps.  IMHO (in my humble opinion) “Basingstoke to Fareham via Salisbury” would never have been considered a “reasonable route” back in BR (British Rail(ways)) days.
19  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: SWR service changes due to Salisbury Accident on: November 07, 2021, 11:38:39 am
Travelling Bristol to Waterloo, the through trains aside, connections at Salisbury being at certain times of the day so bad, the National Rail site will offer a connection at Southampton instead. Occasionally an advance through fare will be listed using that route. How bad do the connections at Salisbury need to be before the routing guide accepts a routing via Salisbury and Southampton, anyone?
Is this in the right thread?  With no trains Salisbury to Southampton because of this accident this route wouldn’t be any use at the moment.  I thought it’s not that long since Waterloo to Salisbury via Southampton was removed from the routeing guide though?
20  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 06, 2021, 06:41:01 pm
Another picture, showing that the crossings of the junction have been 'plain lined' in favour of the london bould route, so Romsey to from Salisbury route ot to reopen for some time or via Laverstock and Andover??

https://twitter.com/vickycahoy/status/1456677842851356672

Suggestions elsewhere is that the crossing was plain lined because they anticipated track damage caused by the removal method using the class 59.

Do you mean they plain lined it before the recovery in order that it was possible to put it back afterwards undamaged?
Possibly, either that or they were worried in case the Class 59 lost grip if standing exactly on the crossover.
21  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: SWR service changes due to Salisbury Accident on: November 06, 2021, 06:27:15 pm
And even if they get them east of Salisbury, presumably they need to return to Salisbury for fuelling/servicing them?
They can theoretically fuel them at Fratton, but it’s over two years since SWR» (South Western Railway - about) DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit) went there, so there’s probably route knowledge issues as well.  But it’s probably a basic lack of stock at the moment.
22  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 06, 2021, 06:24:32 pm
Another picture, showing that the crossings of the junction have been 'plain lined' in favour of the london bould route, so Romsey to from Salisbury route ot to reopen for some time or via Laverstock and Andover??

https://twitter.com/vickycahoy/status/1456677842851356672

Suggestions elsewhere is that the crossing was plain lined because they anticipated track damage caused by the removal method using the class 59.
23  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 05, 2021, 05:17:54 pm
The difficult 2nd carriage (the 159 centre car) is now reported lifted out, and with a third now ready to lift (the 158 rear car).  But I expect they’ll not work overnight.

24  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: A story for the lighter side on: November 03, 2021, 08:54:47 pm
Made me think of that Airplane! scene for some reason, the one with the passengers on the carousel and the luggage on the floor waiting for them.  Grin

Paul
25  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 03, 2021, 02:31:10 pm
I hope they look at the part TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System) played in the incident. Once the train passes the red the driver loses all control and is effectively a passenger. I’d be interested to know if the emergency brake application made the slide worse.
I think your question is overtaken by the latest RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) explanation, the driver was already emergency braking, so AIUI (as I understand it) in that case TPWS just duplicates the demand, but there’s no additional effect?

Paul
26  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 03, 2021, 11:04:17 am
There’s an updated RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) “news story” this morning that explains current understanding:

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RAIB’s preliminary examination has found that the movement of train 1F30 across the junction was being protected from trains approaching on the Down Main line by signal SY31, which was at danger (displaying a red aspect). Train 1L53 passed this signal, while it was at danger, by around 220 metres, immediately prior to the collision occurring.

Preliminary analysis of data downloaded from the On Train Data Recorder (OTDR (On Train Data Recorder)) fitted to train 1L53 shows that the driver initially applied service braking to slow the train on approach to the caution signal before signal SY31. Around 12 seconds after service braking started, the driver made an emergency brake demand. As the train approached signal SY31, and with the emergency brake still being demanded by the driver, a second emergency brake demand was made by the train protection and warning system (TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System)). These emergency brake demands did not prevent the train from reaching the junction, where the collision occurred. OTDR analysis indicates that wheel slide was present both when the driver applied service braking and after emergency braking was demanded. This was almost certainly a result of low adhesion between the train’s wheels and the rails.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/collision-between-passenger-trains-at-salisbury-tunnel-junction

27  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 01, 2021, 04:09:14 pm
If I have understood correctly, the two trains involved were travelling in opposite directions.
In that case, I retract my earlier remarks that imply that the signalling system should have prevented the SECOND collision.
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There are now more recent reports this afternoon, eg from BTP (British Transport Police) that I quoted, that there was no second event at all…

Paul
28  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 01, 2021, 02:27:29 pm
Apparently the Telegraph (paywalled) are now reporting that there was only one incident:
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Initial reports suggested the first train had hit an object, causing it to derail, and that the second train ploughed into the displaced, stranded service.

But in an update on Monday afternoon, British Transport Police (BTP (British Transport Police)) confirmed this was not the case, and that both trains were travelling in the same direction when one train struck the side of the other, causing it to derail whilst in the tunnel.

BTP on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/BTP/status/1455173517847171074?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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There is no evidence to suggest the train struck an object or that there was any significant delay between the collision and the derailment.

Also supported by a recent BTP statement:
https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/england/derailment-at-fisherton-tunnel-salisbury---statement/
29  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Two trains collide near Salisbury - 31 Oct 21 on: November 01, 2021, 01:48:58 pm
I think in Stuving’s excellent summary the eastbound GWR (Great Western Railway) (1F27) would have been stopped by an area emergency call.  I’m therefore assuming that if they were still in Salisbury’s control area then it would not necessarily be a priority to get them going again. 

But what happens to the signallers who are on shift in such circumstances, do they have to get relieved?

Paul
30  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Island Line services, Isle of Wight. General discussion on: November 01, 2021, 01:33:25 pm
My understanding is the hourly service is because the Wightlink ferry is only hourly at this time of year. Not sure what was promised before launch?
Most of the earlier “false dawns” at least as seen in realtimetrains, (now and again over the summer), showed an expected 2 tph service.
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