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Journey by Journey / Chiltern Railways services / Re: Chiltern Evergreen 3 - Further new Track Access Agreement Application
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on: November 28, 2009, 13:29:38
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The details of work to be done are in the Chiltern 73rd track access application (TAA). It was linked to in the first post, but now that the consultation is complete, it has changed locations on the NR» site. Now at: http://tinyurl.com/ydf6rty - the NR site includes the TAA and all the draft timetables, or http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/s22-chiltern-73sa-application-form.pdf - ORR» site for TAA only. Section 6 of the TAA lists all the infrastructure work. No detailed timetable, but going by the rest of the form they are aiming at completion for Dec 2010... Interestingly (and a separate issue to the infrastructure work really) there are a number of objections to the new timetable that have appeared in a file on the ORR website. Including the obligatory 'revenue abstraction' issue from Virgin, cos Chiltern's service will be improved. More surprisingly, ATW▸ also have objections, on the assumption that their services will already be running during next year... http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/s22-chiltern-73sa-responses.pdfEdit: It can only be the mainline part of Evergreen 3 that could be signed off so far, as Bicester - Oxford still has to go through the TWA Order approval procedures? Paul
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All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: DMU cascades - latest news
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on: November 27, 2009, 17:23:36
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One month on from my post that started this thread, the latest Modern Railways (Dec edition) now suggests that FGW▸ will not get any of LO's 150s, these 6 will now go to EMT» .
Often these switch rounds are all about sorting out the stock into similarly lifed batches, or making sure a particular TOC▸ has economies of scale in dealing with only one ROSCo, so it isn't that significant I guess.
Paul
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All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Turbo new cis system
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on: November 25, 2009, 11:50:03
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Of course this is just the famous refresh that was announced at the franchise change.
Then when the 'remedial programme' was announced, the S of S at the time told us all that FGW▸ were going to make early changes to the Turbo Fleet as part of their 'punishment'. Which was just so much politician's spin because...
...then, absolutely nothing happened, and FGW said they hadn't agreed that at all, and the refresh would take place in due course, ie 2010 as planned.
Paul
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Journey by Journey / London to Reading / Re: Twyford to London - help please!
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on: November 23, 2009, 18:05:14
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Regarding the ECML▸ I'd suggest the exact opposite. ECMLCo are already recruiting for the additional staff they need for the December 2010 '5 tph' standard pattern timetable.
If you think about it, if DfT» cancelled all the SLC2 extras because they claimed they couldn't afford them, or there weren't the increases in pax numbers predicted - it would create a bit of a precedent. All the other TOCs▸ would probaly immediately ask if they could withdraw all their recently contracted improvements on the same grounds, eg Southerns required extra services, Virgin's train lengthening etc. Closer to home, what would there be to stop SWT▸ asking to cancel the hourly Exeter service due to the downturn in passenger numbers?
Paul
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All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Oyster PAYG on NR
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on: November 22, 2009, 16:08:31
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Travelcards will still be available for through journeys (outboundary travelcards). The major difference from January is that for 'ordinary travelcards' (those sold within the zonal area), the Oyster▸ PAYG▸ daily cap will now be the same as the equivalent Travelcard price. Currently the Oyster PAYG daily cap is 50p less than the travelcard equivalent, TfL» 's explanation is that this was because PAYG didn't cover the majority of the National Rail services within the zones, but now it will.
I think initially though, a few years ago, the explanation was that the 50p reduction was an incentive to use Oyster rather than buy a paper travelcard. Academic now really though...
The London Reconnections article is good for a list of the fares, and most of the comments are to do with these extension permits - OEPs. It's a tough read to get right to the end, but the bottom line appears to be that the current system has a bit of a loophole that TfL aren't worried about, but the TOCs▸ are. At the moment, someone with a Travelcard Season loaded on Oyster, who travels from his normal zones, Z1-2 say, without touching out in say Z6, will go undetected and not be charged the correct PAYG extension. The TOCs obviously don't want to allow this because unlike LU, many of their outer zone stations have no barriers, although they'll have Oyster validators. Hope that sums it up adequately.
Paul
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All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: Oyster PAYG on NR
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on: November 21, 2009, 23:16:50
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One of the complexities of the new scheme is that there won't be any consistency. As discussed elsewhere, there will be three types of fare, TfL» only (ie Tube/DLR▸ /Overground), NR» only, and TfL/NR. So far so good.
First problem comes with the historic joint LU/NR fare availability routes, and there are quite a few. Examples are Upminster - Fenchurch St, Stratford - Liverpool St, Finsbury Park - Moorgate. There will be routes where they just won't be able to tell how you travelled, and a good example is Ealing Broadway to Paddington direct with FGW▸ , funnily enough. Here the barriers at both ends of the journey are joint LU/NR. A poster in another forum reckoned he'd been told by 'someone in FGW' that they had already agreed to stick with the TfL scales anyway, as part of their early agreement to accept Oyster▸ PAYG▸ .
Another example could be Kensington Olympia to Wimbledon - again the barriers at either end are joint TfL/NR so won't be able to determine the route taken, ie District Line only, or perhaps SN and SWT▸ via Clapham Junction, as no intermediate gatelines will be passed through.
It seems to me that the only way to predict what you'll be charged is to use the online TfL single fare finder, making sure you select the right 'gateline' where there are two shown, eg Waterloo[NR] or Waterloo[LU] etc...
Another fairly major change, gleaned from various TOC▸ websites, is that from PAYG go live on Jan 2nd, all fares within the zonal area will be singles, either Anytime (Peak) or Offpeak - with an afternoon peak period introduced where they don't currently exist, basically the 3 'southern' TOCs. Offpeak Day Returns will disappear, to be replaced by two offpeak singles. (SWT's site for example states 'Off peak return tickets withdrawn and replaced by Oyster PAYG off-peak fares' - can we assume from that wording that paper singles will still be sold?)
Paul
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