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1  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: How much will it cost? Expanding the network. on: Yesterday at 07:12:52 am

...a bag of fresh hippo poo, care of camp leader,  was on the Chief Accountant's desk the next day. Cool


Well that to my mind is how engineers should treat accountants. There's something badly wrong when people who create things are seen as subordinate to people who count them.

Probably best for all to treat each other, and each other's roles with mutual respect and work together as closely as possible, helps to avoid this sort of thing............

https://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/gallery/maidenhead/106878/auditors-slam-2bn-rail-electrification-overspend.html

2  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Problems with the Night Riviera sleeper - December 2014 onwards on: Yesterday at 06:09:30 am
Bit of a lie-in!

21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:19
12/11/18 21:45 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:19 will no longer call at Totnes and Newton Abbot.
It has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Plymouth and is now 195 minutes late.
This is due to slippery rails.
3  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: November 12, 2018, 09:50:21 pm
An inspiration..…………..

Too bad that Comical Ali was snapped up by MetroBust in Bristol.

......there's a lot of them about.
4  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: November 12, 2018, 06:29:06 pm
An inspiration..…………..
5  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: How much will it cost? Expanding the network. on: November 12, 2018, 05:06:23 pm
From The BBC
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Ungainly as it is, the hippopotamus is the world's deadliest large land mammal, killing an estimated 500 people per year in Africa. Hippos are aggressive creatures, and they have very sharp teeth.

And you would not want to get stuck under one; at up to 2,750kg they can crush a human to death.

Completely trashed one of my African field camps did hippos. Bean-counters demanded proof that they hadn't just trashed it themselves - a bag of fresh hippo poo, care of camp leader,  was on the Chief Accountant's desk the next day. Cool

Sorry, off topic ...

On the upside, for the next ten years his roses won prizes.
6  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: November 12, 2018, 05:04:36 pm
I rather hope they don't fit padded seats. I find the IET seats very comfortable. Supportive, not squishy, plenty wide enough. Some of the best train seats I've sat on, for comfort.

I shall put this as delicately as possible...

You must be carrying a lot more "personal padding" around than I am... Wink

On a trip from Chippenham to Paddington I find myself uncomfortable and fidgeting well before we get to Didcot. In my view the description "ironing boards" is well-deserved.


The idea is to remind you, before you get too comfortable, that travelling with GWR is a pain in the arse.
7  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Problems with the Night Riviera sleeper - December 2014 onwards on: November 12, 2018, 05:15:38 am
23:50 London Paddington to Penzance due 08:59
11/11/18 23:50 London Paddington to Penzance due 08:59 has been delayed at London Paddington and is now 180 minutes late.
This is due to a broken down train.
Last Updated:12/11/2018 03:05
8  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Dawlish closures - November 2018 on: November 11, 2018, 08:23:36 pm
DfT need to look at the GWR 1935 plan for an inland route. As I see it from Google maps a line could be constructed from a location near Powderham Castle and Estate to rejoin the current line to the east of the Devon Expressway for the run into Newton Abbot. From the satellite image such a route would mainly be through agricultural land. The current route would be retained for local services and Summer Saturdays holiday traffic and if weather closes the line in future local services could still be run Exeter - Dawlish Warren and Newton Abbot - Teignmouth with RRB between Dawlish Warren and Teignmouth.


The issue is that the Dawlish route is fine 95% or so of the year




For me that pretty much nails it - not because I agree with doing nothing, but I've seen a figure of £450,000,000+ quoted elsewhere for the avoiding route - let's say a round half billion (allowing for the inevitable overspend, this is a railway project, remember?) for something which is needed, at worst, for a few days a year in a really bad year, and is a "nice to have" for the rest of the time - try justifying that to other areas of the Country who are crying out for essential investment - as  I say, I don't disagree with the concept, but a bit of real world/cost/benefit may need to come into it?
9  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Okehampton-Tavistock. Discussion on reopening and potential use as a diversionary route on: November 10, 2018, 09:06:38 pm
How.....much......will......it....cost?

A darn sight less than an unnecessary third direct route between London and Birmingham. And think of the benefit. You can get by train to any winter game at The Brickfields!  Tongue

Good answer! But I'm still waiting for someone to give a figure of how much it's going to cost, and without that, there's no basis for a sensible or meaningful debate!
10  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Okehampton-Tavistock. Discussion on reopening and potential use as a diversionary route on: November 10, 2018, 08:09:08 pm
During closure of the main line the good people of Torbay etc have no rail service anyway!

Which is precisely why they need a rail alternative to the coastal route that doesn't completely bypass them. Users of Newton Abbot, Torquay, Paignton and Totnes would be delighted to learn that sparser populated areas of Devon get a rail service during disruption, while they are consigned to buses and coaches.

The need for a solution to the frequent coastal route disruption is not some time away. Dawlish Avoiding Line, Now!

Too reiterate. I'm not either/or. I'm just against promoting and costing the LSWR as a diversionary route. And I firmly believe that any call on funding has to first go to protecting and enhancing the current and considerable rail passenger flows. Any buses or coaches needed should be reserved solely for serving Dawlish. Even Teignmouth can keep a rail service during sea wall related disruption, with a shuttle from Newton Abbot served by connecting servicfes off the DAL.

I appreciate that I may be in a minority in the rail enthusiast community, with its large supply of rose tinted spectacles. But one has to look first at which option is of more benefit to more people.

With the Dawlish avoiding line, you need a very expensive tunnel which will be needed about seven days a year. With the Okehampton route you get 365 days of parkway railway access for North West Devon, North West Ciornwall, Dartmoor and the growing town of Tavistock. You also get a diversiionary route for those seven days each year that the largest city in Devon and the entire county of Cornwall are cut off.

How.....much......will......it....cost?
11  All across the Great Western territory / Who's who on Western railways / Re: Jo Johnson Resigns As Transport Minister on: November 10, 2018, 01:55:38 pm
We must remember that the resignation was due to differences regarding Brexit, and nothing to do with transport policy (except VERY indirectly in so far as Brexit might affect international transport)

I therefore do not expect any changes to transport policy as a result of this departure.

Absolutely right!

Elephant in the room spotted!
12  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Dawlish closures - November 2018 on: November 10, 2018, 10:06:12 am
The myth that an alternative to Dawlish would result in the existing line being closed needs to be firmly quashed, as I see its reared its head again on social media. To my mind, its unthinkable that the towns and Bay resorts wouldn’t warrant a rail service, even if rationalised somewhat. And lets be honest, few High Speed service stop at Dawlish and Teignm outhitting or run through to Paignton anyway


I think the problem is; would they be so quick to repair any breach?

The plan I saw at Dawlish was to extend the sea wall further into the sea, but this only gives the sea something to smash at. I would put the track on stilts in the sea and the tide could pass underneath, would also remove the tunnels and leave the beaches relatively untouched.

I also think this will also have to be done on the Exe estuary.


How much would that cost, and how much would the "avoiding route" cost?
13  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Dawlish closures - November 2018 on: November 10, 2018, 08:11:30 am
Both Up and Down sleeper services cancelled.

What happens to the sleeper passengers in these circumstances? Do GWR arrange road transport or do they put them in hotels overnight? (Or are they just abandoned and left to their own devices?)

The 21.03 to Plymouth finally left Paddington at 22.20 and was the last service out of Paddington to Taunton and beyond. It is however terminating at Exeter, so not much use to most Sleeper passengers.

So I guess a hotel in London or Reading? I know that GWR ask passengers with berths booked for their mobile numbers and I further believe they are all contacted. But who pays for the hotel?


Several passengers who arrived for the sleeper were booked into the Hilton at Paddington by GWR, and others were provided with road transport - only right and proper.


Earlier in the day customers were being assured that the sleeper would run, it was only much later that this changed and people were told not to travel, so offering them a bed for the night on a bench at Paddington or Reading wouldn't really have been an option...........if you see a taxi driver ordering an Aston Martin you will know where the money came from!
14  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Dawlish closures - November 2018 on: November 09, 2018, 10:29:40 pm
Both Up and Down sleeper services cancelled.

What happens to the sleeper passengers in these circumstances? Do GWR arrange road transport or do they put them in hotels overnight? (Or are they just abandoned and left to their own devices?)
15  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Dawlish closures - November 2018 on: November 09, 2018, 08:03:59 pm
They'd better have plenty of buses available!
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