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1  Journey by Journey / South Western services / Re: Waterloo station upgrade launched on: Today at 03:06:12 pm
At the start of this work (and thread) the opening of the revamped international platforms was due this month (NR's web site still says they all will). And yesterday P21-22 did in fact open, though 23-24 are now not due to do so until next May. Given that the extra trains that rely on the extra platforms aren't yet running (and the date of that timetable change, like all of them, has a credibility problem), I guess that rates a small cheroot. 

What can they be still be doing to P23-24, with hardly any possession time? Perhaps not much, but they just put highest priority on opening something on time so this bit is not quite there yet.
2  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Crossrail - The Elizabeth Line - ongoing discussion, merged topics on: Yesterday at 08:22:10 pm
One of the points made by Sadiq Khan was that he had ordered the release of all the CRL board minutes. They are here, but the last of them (they are monthly) is for September. A lot of the names and numbers are hidden by the big black marker pen, and while cost to completion and risk are given the meaning of the figures is not clear (to me, anyway). All the figures do, however look far too low relative to size of the just-announced bung. But someone else may be abel to make more sense of them.
3  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Crossrail - The Elizabeth Line - ongoing discussion, merged topics on: Yesterday at 08:04:44 pm
This is TfL's announcement. It contins the outline of the new funding agreed with HMG:
The emerging findings of the KPMG review into Crossrail Ltd's finances indicate the likely capital cost impact of the delay to the project announced in August could be in the region of between £1.6bn and £2bn. That includes the £300m already contributed by the Department for Transport (DfT) and TfL in July 2018, leaving an estimated £1.3bn to £1.7bn to complete the project.

The Mayor of London and the Government have agreed a financial package to cover this. The Greater London Authority (GLA) will borrow up to £1.3bn from the DfT. The GLA will repay this loan from the existing Business Rate Supplement (BRS) and Mayoral Community Infrastructure Levy (MCIL). The GLA will also provide a £100m cash contribution, taking its total contribution to £1.4bn which it will provide as a grant to TfL for the Crossrail project.

Because the final costs of the Crossrail project are yet to be confirmed, a contingency arrangement has also been agreed between TfL and the Government. This will be in the form of a loan facility from the DfT of up to £750m, should the higher end of the estimate be realised.

This combined financing deal will replace the need for the £350 million interim financing package offered by the Government in October.
4  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Access for all - nominations requested by 1st October 2018 on: Yesterday at 07:36:11 pm
Long-awaited improvements for the distinctly disabled un-friendly Theale Station will be carried out after it was confirmed it had been selected for the next round of government funding.

The station in West Berkshire currently has no facilities for disabled people, but is set for a revamp in the next round of the government Access for All funding.

Reading West MP Alok Sharma confirmed there is no need to bid again as the station will receive funding.

No details of when the work will be carried out have been revealed yet.

Is this "Access for All"?   Is there a full list somewhere or has the MP jumped the gun?

From GetReading

It was approved before, then deferred for more thinking. The thread on that starts with an announcement that identifies its funding as from the Local Sustainable Transport Fund, but I think that was another part of the upgrade. The GWR letter above says that it will not need to be resubmitted, which I take to imply it remains approved and deferred. Once its new price tag is known it may become undeferred, but I think it is just as likely that its approval will be called into question, since that can hardly have been unconditional.
5  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 08, 2018, 12:49:46 pm
8.3 Athenry?
Goodness - yes.   Taken this June. Nearest I could get to a 150/1 in Ireland.
And reduced to monochrome so as to remove the clue of its livery?

Though doing that to what's obviously a recent picture just adds a distinct odour of rat ...
6  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 08, 2018, 11:56:49 am
8.3 Athenry?

Goodness - yes.   Taken this June. Nearest I could get to a 150/1 in Ireland.

And reduced to monochrome so as to remove the clue of its livery?
7  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 08, 2018, 11:54:21 am
8.3 Athenry?
8  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 07, 2018, 08:46:28 pm
7.2 - By way of almost completely failing to answer the question: My GWR engine identification skills would embarrass my dad, but I'm guessing the engine on the left is Modified Hall No.6974 Bryngwyn Hall (withdrawn in May 1965); the King is less easy to identify, but given that they were all gone by the end of 1962 that puts an upper limit on the date.

Having looked at some examples of GWR number plates, the typography of 1s and 7s suggests that must be 6914 - Langton Hall. That's marginally easier to reconcile with the name plate as shown, though half the letters of the name still seem to have fallen off. Otherwise it fits as well, being at Weymouth from 1959.
9  Journey by Journey / South Western services / SWR's new Class 701 trains on: December 07, 2018, 06:51:43 pm
When the order for these new trains was announced, they were due to turn up from the middle of 2019. However, there are a lot of other Aventras a-building, and most of those have been late getting onto service. So who thinks they will actually be running to and from Reading by May 2019?

SWR do, that's who. These posters went up a few days ago, implying that they need to stop selling first class tickets before the next timetable ends. (Taken at a funny angle to try to avoid reflections, not altogether successfully.) I guess we may need a thread to discuss the trains, when they do turn up, and any delay to that.

PS: There is a second poster saying "as part of our £90 million station improvement programme work to install new ticket gates will start here in mid November 2018". I wonder, how many station users will regard that as an improvement? (And yes, the original is commaless.)
10  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: New GWR Timetable on: December 05, 2018, 01:23:04 pm
I'm obviously being a bit dim and been looking at the webpage for too long but I couldn't see Twyford to London trains. Which timetable should I be looking at?

T10 - "London to Greenford, Heathrow Airport, Reading and Didcot Parkway (stopping services)". In this case that means anything stopping between Reading and Paddington, even if it's fast from Twyford and/or Maidenhead.
11  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Preserved railway lines, Railtours and other rail based attractions / Re: Pattern Church in former GWR Swindon pattern store holds inaugural service on: December 05, 2018, 10:33:13 am
From the Swindon Advertiser:

Quote from: Swindon Advertiser
The Grade II listed building, which until last year had been the Italian restaurant Bottelinos, was built in 1897 for Great Western Railway as a pattern store to keep engineering plans and designs.

Wouldn't a pattern store have been built mainly to store foundry patterns?
12  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 04, 2018, 12:36:08 pm
Interesting to see Tunbridge on the map, but not its southerly neighbour Royel Tinbrodge Wulls...

Ond, jost tis ounce, ist nit on famis gramme tipo...

Nor any kind of typo - from Wikipedia:
Until 1870, the town's name was spelt Tunbridge, as shown on old maps including the 1871 Ordnance Survey map and contemporary issues of the Bradshaw railway guide. In 1870, this was changed to Tonbridge by the GPO[3] due to confusion with nearby Tunbridge Wells, despite Tonbridge being a much older settlement. Tunbridge Wells has always maintained the same spelling.
13  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 04, 2018, 11:16:40 am
The South Eastern ownership is the reason for the disparity in mileage markers coming towards Reading. The line from Wokingham not being measured from either Waterloo or Paddington but presumably from Charing Cross.
Indeed - though in fact by the 50s trains from Reading ran to Victoria or London Bridge instead! Not a sensible commute, obviously, taking over 21/2 hours.
14  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: Speed Restriction between Bath and Bristol - 45minute delay on: December 04, 2018, 10:52:55 am
Was on the 1630 off Swindon to Weston. At the point of the speed restriction there  was a large number of the orange army removing corrugated iron off the railings at a bridge somewhere near Twerton - presumably the “tunnel” referred to in BBC news is this bridge carrying the railway over the road. Judging by google maps it was Jews Lane.

Hmm, the bridge there has a tad less than 2m headroom (the plate gives the height in fahrenheit)... I wouldn't want to cycle under it without my helmet on. Could it have been a bridge strike?

I can see why it was called a tunnel - it does look like one, or even a burrow (provided for the use of the local Hobbit population). Also, I guess that the gap in the Street View pictures is because it's too low for the Googlemobile to fit through it.
15  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent quiz 2019 on: December 04, 2018, 10:48:04 am
The Redhill to Reading section was also built by South Eastern and opened in 1849, with a view to increasing their reach - very much a single tentacle of a line from their Kentish heartline around to the West of London, avoiding London.  In many way forward thinking ... it's always surprised me that the reversal at Redhill was and still is required.  Gomshall station - on the quiz - is one of those under the flank of the North Downs, clearly seen in the picture.

Except of course, like so many secondary lines, it wasn't built by the SER itself but by a line-specific company - a Victorian kind of "special-purpose vehicle" - the Reading, Guildford and Reigate Railway Company. It's true that the SER shared directors with the RGRR, and agreed early on to lease and run it; but they also proposed their own bill for part of the route, as did LBSCR, LSWR, plus several new companies. Most of the route was outside SER territory, and involved dealing with the other established (if only for a few years) railways, and while SER's backing was important they were very keen on someone - anyone - else putting up the capital, for which a local identity was essential.

As to why trains have always reversed at Redhill, until not so long ago they ran into Charing Cross - so you'd need to change there instead. That was so not only under the separate companies, but survived nationalisation for a while (into the 50s at least). After that, what would you do instead, for what was now a very minor route? A flat junction, missing Redhill, and unworkable except for so few trains it's not worth it?  A (hugely expensive) flyover, also skipping Redhill? Add a link to one of the lines to enter from the north, despite the terrain, the presence by now of Redhill, and the Quarry Lines?
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