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3571  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: November 04, 2018, 20:04:51
There are lines on the carriageway when approaching from the north as well, but no arrows or writing on the road surface, so it might not be obvious what the line is for.
https://goo.gl/maps/xLfoexZwk892

I'm not sure your north and south are right there - but I see now that there is no dashed line on the west because the pavement is wider, so no need for an arrow and words from the south to warn you not to drive on he pavement. From the north there is little time after the roundabout to see and react to the dashed line on the east side before you go into shadow, so the arrow would certainly help. And that asymmetry is even worse than that - if you drove north without having to move over, you would be preconditioned to come back south without doing so too.

Never eat the stuff.
3572  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: November 03, 2018, 20:54:03
There doesn't seem to be any simple way of finding out where signs are mandatory, but the form they should take if present is prescribed (the word used) in The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016. The Traffic Signs Manual generally repeats this in something resembling comprehensible English (which the TSRGD 2016 are not), but are all older than 2016 so may no longer be correct.

In the case of units on bridge signage, I found a Sunday Times report that a 2014 DfT» (Department for Transport - about) consultation proposed making dual units compulsory on new signs but let old ones stay. That's consistent with the 2013 TSM (Track Section Manager) saying metric is optional, and the TSRGD 2016 only showing the signs with both - but I wouldn't put it any stronger than that. Distances (along the road) are of course still to be given in miles.
3573  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Heritage railway lines, Railtours, other rail based attractions / Re: Main walking route from Swindon Station to Steam! museum close on: November 03, 2018, 18:28:49
Churchward PLC was part of Carillion, and a winding up order was granted to the Official Receiver in June. So what has happened now? All it seems to have done was own and manage property, so I guess this property has been sold. But to whom?

Or will be sold

I guess they might want prove to buyers there is no established right of way?
3574  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: November 03, 2018, 18:23:03
Good picture in this evening's Bristol Post, showing the state of electrification at Hatchet Road (just after Bristol Parkway):

Incidentally, I can't help noticing that this is another bridge where the height warning is given in US Customary units only - is there a pattern emerging here? https://goo.gl/maps/uEs1mQrrHaC2
Streetview shows that there are advance signs in both metric and imperialunits on the approach, and also instructions to use the centre of the road.

Paul

For arch bridges the meaning of "advance" is a bit puzzling, since they are doing two things. At the bridge, the main concern is getting vehicles into the right bit of the road. At the last turning, or in advance, the concern is to prevent overheight vehicles going that way and diverting them. So the inserts within advance direction signs are the same as other low bridges, while the markings and the "final warning sign" (use middle of road) are specific to arches. But then, for some reason, single triangular signs at the last turning (with no "route avoiding" message) or further away have a little arch in them. Since that last turn can be miles back (needing a distance label) or right up close (as in Hatchet Lane), they may or may not be "in advance". Anyway, what I meant was something at least half a mile away.
3575  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: November 03, 2018, 18:03:54
The rules - Traffic Signs Manual: Chapter 4 - say this about composite bridges:
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COMPOSITE BRIDGES
7.25 Some bridges originally built as arches have been adapted with the addition of girders or beams. Where the arch is the lowest part, the whole structure should be signed as an arch bridge. Black and yellow striped plates (to highlight the profile of the arch) should be suspended from the bridge beam, together with further plates on the arch itself.

The signage it specifies for an arch bridge of this width includes a single chord (as on the north side) plus the roadside signs at the bridge which look right. There should also be advance signs and "route avoiding" arrows on other signs; I din't know if they are present here.

How often do you see an arch-shaped dangly thing under a bridge? Not often! The manual has more to say about them (straight ones are also used):
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7.27 Experience has shown that these suspended plates will themselves be struck from time to time and that rigidly-mounted aluminium substrates are not suitable. Rubber or other flexible material should be used for the backing, suspended by means of chains or hinges fixed securely to the bridge structure by a method agreed with the bridge owner. The plates should not be fixed rigidly by screws or bolts to the face of the bridge, as there is a greater risk than with flexibly-suspended plates of them being dislodged and falling onto vehicles on the road beneath. The use of rubber-backed plates will help to avoid annoyance to nearby residents from the noise of hanging metal plates striking the bridge structure in wind or vehicle slipstream. It is recommended that the yellow parts of the marking should be retroreflective; they may also be fluorescent (see para 7.6). When the signs are lit, the plates should also be lit whenever practicable. This is particularly helpful where a girder bridge is followed by a more restrictive arch bridge.

And finally, road markings, which are in TSM (Track Section Manager) Chapter 5:
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HIGH VEHICLE MARKINGS AT ARCH BRIDGES
22.5 All bridges with a headroom of less than 16'-6"should be clearly signed. (Arch bridge signing is dealt with in Chapter 4, paras 7.16 to 7.19). Road markings, together with appropriate warning signs,can be used in the case of arch bridges to guide higher vehicles to the centre of the road, where the clearance may be greater than at the outside edges.

22.6 The HIGH VEHS marking (diagram 1024.1) is prescribed for use at arch bridges. High vehicles should be guided through the highest part of the arch using this marking and the arrow to diagram 1014, together with edge of carriageway markings to diagram 1010. These should be aligned with the chord marking on the bridge (diagram 532.2) which indicates the available headroom in the central part of the road...

Note: the current chapter 5 is dated 2003, so its references to chapter 4 are out to date - that is now the 2013 edition.
3576  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: November 03, 2018, 16:19:13
Incidentally, that TPS looks an odd code - there certainly isn't a pantograph on it is there? However, there is a 25 kV insulator on the corner to feed power downwards, so obviously it has a transformer (though as I said earlier that should have a code letter X). That suggests that each transformer weighs 2.9 t and can supply 2.5 MW but nor 3 MW.

It’s a TpS rather than TPS, with the small ‘p’ meaning powered as it has its own transformer, auxiliary powers supply and link to the 25kV busline.  Definitely no pantograph!

From what I've seen, Tp (it was T(p)) is Hitachi's functional type code, which defines what can go where in a unit and it still work, but TPS is painted on its end. The same apples to the 'e' meaning "has engine", and some of the numbers in functional types also appear in paint (along with S, C, or F) - but not necessarily in the same order.

As to where bits like the power converters and APS go, I only have a scruffy little diagram showing them as part of the combined "Traction/APS system" on motor vehicles. That looks logical, given that they do have to operate powered solely by the on-board GUs on 800/802s. How intermediate power is routed from transformer to APS is less clear to me - and is it AC (up to 1800 V) or DC (Direct Current) (up to 3000 V)? Either way it's one of the reasons for all those big cables between the carriages!
3577  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Heritage railway lines, Railtours, other rail based attractions / Re: Main walking route from Swindon Station to Steam! museum close on: November 03, 2018, 15:37:06
Churchward PLC was part of Carillion, and a winding up order was granted to the Official Receiver in June. So what has happened now? All it seems to have done was own and manage property, so I guess this property has been sold. But to whom?
3578  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: November 03, 2018, 14:00:55
When approached from the north side there are no white lines on the bridge to point out the need to be in the centre of the road.

That's true - and I'm sure there should be. But look left from the initial Street View and there's a roadside sign, plus a dashed line on the road. However, given that the first bridge hides the second, I'd expect words and arrows on the road too (plus those width lines). Note that from the other side there is no line on the road, though there is the same roadside sign.
3579  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion on: November 03, 2018, 13:09:39
Well, in our part of the world, we have the salutary tale of Caen, where a guided bus system that was hailed as "just like Light Rail but cheaper" was opened in 2002 at a cost of €227 million, but due to its unreliability is now having to be replaced by an actual light rail system at a cost of around €250 million...

I went to look at the thing last year, as I was in Caen anyway (but with no time to try it out). Certainly the service wasn't very reliable - even the not-very-exisitent Sunday one, being 30 minutes late.

But it's hard to draw conclusions about such systems generically from the issues at Caen, and at Nancy (though they haven't decided to scrap theirs - yet). Bombardier had so little success selling them they gave up supporting them some time ago, so if some quite feasible design changes would have made a big difference we don't know - they were never tried.

PS: that view is the back end - you can only drive them from the front, so they need a turning loop.
3580  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues on: November 03, 2018, 12:22:17
An interesting comment from a GWR (Great Western Railway) Insider on the WNXX (Stored Unserviceable, Mainline Locos HQ All Classes) Forum....
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If the passenger figures justify it there is already talk that the production line could be opened to extend the length of some 5 cars and do away with a proportion of the multiple working. My Hitachi contact informs me that it is a relatively simple job to insert two 'lightweight standards' (38t) into the 5 cars but that a completely standard fleet of nine cars is not justifiable at the moment.

As it stands, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not comparing like with like - the real alternative is a few more 9-cars; a "completely standard fleet of nine cars" is no more realistic than a mix of the existing nines and only sevens. And operationally it would be a mess, surely? But we don't now the actual question it might have been an answer to.

I thought there was some information from Hitachi that even-length trains would have half their vehicles motored, with one trailer more if odd-length - but that may have been my/our inference instead. In any case this idea breaks that "rule", at a cost in performance. The original designs included an eight-car variant, which was like a nine with the central MES2 taken out. If adding TS2s (38.1 t tare) is as easy as that post suggests, you could take one of those out of an 8-car, and then the two vehicles added to a 5-car would be an MEC3 (or MES3 - 49.4 t I think) and a TPS (41.0 t). More weight, obviously, but more power too.

Incidentally, that TPS looks an odd code - there certainly isn't a pantograph on it is there? However, there is a 25 kV insulator on the corner to feed power downwards, so obviously it has a transformer (though as I said earlier that should have a code letter X). That suggests that each transformer weighs 2.9 t and can supply 2.5 MW but nor 3 MW.

(Sorry about the dark picture, but they stop in the stygian underdeck at Reading - hence no picture from above either.)
3581  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Slippery Rails? on: November 03, 2018, 10:45:01

That's misleading about the original Bowden and Tabor insight (as in the original 1939 Royal Society paper). I meant the basis of what's now called the adhesion theory of friction:
  • all real surfaces are rough at the atomic scale, even if they look smooth and flat
  • when placed together, they touch at only a few tiny high points
  • when pressed together, the tips are squashed, and so meet at a larger (but still tiny) area
  • at the same time more new tiny points meet
  • this squashing is plastic yield, and the force is proportional to the yield strength x real contact area
  • when you slide them, these minuscule areas of contact shear, with a force = area x yield strength
  • which is Coulomb friction

Obviously that's the starting point for adding extra bits of reality, some of which fit well and others don't -  that's why it's an explanatory fairy tale. But it does give a new picture of what, basically, is going on, which for example has helped with explaining rolling friction and the related wear. So while this may look like an area where experience and engineering "cookery" are the only guides, there is a lot more scientific contribution hidden away behind the scenes.

Wikipedia has surprisingly little on the subject, so presumably the profession (or tribe?) of tribologists isn't very interested in proselytising. As an applied science, it was pretty much created by those two people - Phillip Bowden and David Tabor - working together in Cambridge before and after the war and in Melbourne during it. They were both experimental physicists, but the teams they set up always interdisciplinary and included everyone from theoreticians (some effects can be traced to quantum theory) across to engineers with lubrication problems within industry. That was unusual for the time, though obviously fitted with wartime attitudes. Both have detailed biographies at the Royal Society (Bowden, Tabor).
3582  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Slippery Rails? on: November 03, 2018, 01:06:32
Maybe worth mentioning also that the new 80x’s will have the latest wheel slip protection and traction control systems to make the very best of the available adhesion.  HST (High Speed Train)’s – at least in their early years of service when I was involved – had a relatively cheap and cheerful system.

True - I did start adding something about WSP, but took it out as the post was getting too long and detailed (of course it still was). Perhaps I should have put back something to expand the point about friction, though. The simple model assumes that friction is uniform, so even if it is unknown then at least the division of traction force between wheels is optimal. In reality friction (or adhesion, the preferred railway terminology) often varies within the length of a train so to be optimal the traction per wheel has to be made proportional to that too.

Which is what the WSP does. If it's good enough, the damage or excess wear to wheel and rail is low enough that drivers don't even need to be told to avoid WSP activation, and it becomes just part of the train's traction control system. Of course nobody puts one motor per wheel, so friction imbalance between the rails is something no current system can fully cope with.

The Adhesion Working Group is where the railway industry looks at all of this, and it has produced "Managing low adhesion - AWG manual Issue 6". It's probably where to look if you really want to know more - and I do mean more, as it's 351 pages long. It does include several mentions of "a good WSP", and names names (e.g. the worst tree species) and numbers, like this table:

Adhesion Level Typically Description
High >15% Clean rails wet or dry
Medium 10-15% Damp rails with some contamination
Low 5-9% Typical autumn mornings due to dew / dampness
often combined with light overnight rust
Exceptionally low <5% Severe rail contamination often due to leaves
but sometimes other pollution

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Fascinating subject, wheel/rail interaction (well I think so).

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I do remember being very struck whenever it was (probably 28th November 1968) I first heard the Bowden and Tabor explanation of Coulomb friction. One of the best "explanatory fairy tales".
3583  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: November 02, 2018, 20:35:42
Full marks to the "huge steel barrier," which worked as intended.

The full quote is "An initial inspection of any impact damage to the bridge revealed the bridge came through the experience unscathed - a huge steel barrier at the entrance to the bridge took the full force of the bus's roof, and protected the bridge as intended."

Well, they are still running trains over that "barrier" - it's the the northern, steel, bridge put there some time after the Severn Tunnel and the line from Wootton Bassett were built. That is 15'2" up, which is plenty to take a double-decker under - so it didn't hit it. It hit the brick arch, having failed to move out to the middle of the road, which is why the roof in the picture on Bristol Live lies under the steel bridge. Draw your own conclusions about the reporting!

3584  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Campaigns for new and improved services / Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion on: November 01, 2018, 17:30:00
The author cheerfully admits '£40m is a back of the envelope calculation!'. He suggests infilling the rails and running buses through Portishead as now, along a bus only lane of the Portbury hundred, and then joining the STRAILed rail at Portbury dock as far as Cumberland basin and then join the Metro bus route M2 to the 'real' Temple Meads, Cabot Circus, BRI» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains), University , Jacob Wells Road, and back to the centre. One snag that I can foresee is how to get off the strailed rail and on to the non guided busway bit of the M2 as it cant go over Ashton Avenue Swing bridge.

Aha! I was going to ask if the idea was to run buses over the rail route - and why. The roads may be congested, but £40M ought to buy a few bits of bus lane and bus-only access road, without the hazard of meeting a goods train.

STRAIL are a German company, though that name (they prefer capitals) appears in their product names. If you go your local level crossing, the chances are you'll see some of their road panels between and beside the rails. I think their big advantage is that you can just lift them to get access to the track and then as quickly put them back, without any pneumatic drill or tar boiler.
3585  Journey by Journey / Shorter journeys in Devon / Re: Fugro - RILA track geometry system seen in Devon on: November 01, 2018, 09:27:26
Is this the equivalent of the Flying Banana for branches, or something else?

Well, IETs (Intercity Express Train) (a fraction of them anyway) have:
 Pantograph Camera System
 Unattended Overhead Line Measurement System (UOMS) (provison for future fit only)
 Unattended Track Geometry Measurement System (UGMS).

So in the sense that there are branches IETs won't venture down, maybe it answers more to that. 
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