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1  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: Bristol Resignalling - from Bristol PSB to Thames Valley Signal Centre on: Today at 10:56:38 AM
As an aside, I recently read a statement of the demolition method for the old Post Office building which went into some detail when describing how some steel joists bedded into the retaining wall of Temple Meads Station would be removed without spoiling the listed building. The plan is to chop them out and then brick up the hole using matching materials, leaving the padstones in place so that the feature remains 'readable'...

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the (I hope we can all agree now) Grade I listed station, NR gaily erect lighting, signalling and signage systems that would give even the most brutal Brutalist the willies.
2  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - 2018 to 2045 / Re: Statement of Funds Available for CP6 (April 2019 to March 2024) on: Yesterday at 06:24:12 PM
On the face of it, moving away from the current Stalinist 5-year plans sounds like a good idea. It's almost as though that kind of inflexible top-down bureaucratic approach had been discredited, or something.

So RNEP is the new GRIP? I was very taken by the five alliterative phases:

Delegate -> Delay -> Defer -> Distract -> Derail ?
3  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: Bristol Resignalling - from Bristol PSB to Thames Valley Signal Centre on: March 19, 2018, 09:37:09 AM
I'm a huge fan of the motto written above the door of the former Kirkaldy Testing Works...

So here are the listing details for Bristol Temple Meads:

ST5972 TEMPLE WAY 901-1/42/292 (North East side) 01/11/66 Temple Meads Station


Railway station. 1865-78. By Sir Matthew Digby Wyatt. For Great Western Railway and Midland Railway. Additional platforms of 1930-5. Conglomerate with limestone dressings. Booking office with forward projecting screens to train sheds. Tudor Revival style. 2 storeys; 3-window range, with single storey; 19-window range to right and 17-window range to left. Booking office has a symmetrical crenellated front with lower angled side blocks and a central 2-stage tower, and octagonal turrets to the corners; ground-floor 4-centred arches have banded Purbeck marble shafts, a label mould with quatrefoil spandrels, and C20 doors; first floor has 6-light square-headed windows with transoms and cinquefoil heads, stilted labels over panels with quatrefoils over the middle window; a half-quatrefoil arcade below the parapet, with blind lancets to the merlons; the turrets have 2 crenellated courses below pyramidal tops. The tower has an arcade of engaged shafts which pass through the drip to pointed arches, under a large square panel and clock with a trefoil-headed blind arcade above. The shed screens have mullion and transom windows separated by octagonal buttresses, with a glazed cast-iron canopy all around the frontage. INTERIOR: high booking office of brick with octagonal tas-de-charges, but a C20 concrete ceiling; mezzanine with panelled ceiling and 4-centre arched windows with 4 lights and intersecting tracery. The main train shed has a 2-centred trussed roof with traceried arch braces on octagonal corbel shafts and black diaper work under the eaves. Further platforms of 1930-5 by PE Culverhouse have cream terracotta buildings with BRISTOL in glazed letters. HISTORICAL NOTE: the station was a joint venture between the Great Western Railway and the Midland Railway, and was originally called Bristol Joint Station. It had a steep French Empire roof to the tower, which was destroyed in the Second World War, and crockets to the turret tops. The later Temple Meads station uniquely shows, with the Bristol Old Station (qv) at Temple Meads, the growth of a major terminus over more than a century. (Gomme A, Jenner M and Little B: Bristol, An Architectural History: Bristol: 1979-: 348).

So yes, Platform 14 is not Grade I listed. But the rest is.
4  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: Bristol Resignalling - from Bristol PSB to Thames Valley Signal Centre on: March 19, 2018, 12:00:08 AM
Are you sure? I'm struggling to find a definitive map, but I'm pretty confident that the whole shebang is Grade I...
5  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Squirrels - red or grey, on the railways or otherwise: merged topic on: March 09, 2018, 08:50:27 AM
Well I don't know about you lot, but I think the one in CfN's first pic is a definite swipe-right...
6  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: Four track for Filton Bank - ongoing discussion on: March 07, 2018, 12:30:48 PM
Google's time machine suggests that it's been like this since at least 2012...
7  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Preserved railway lines, Railtours and other rail based attractions / Re: Lynton - Barnstaple railway extension plans on: March 06, 2018, 10:19:18 PM
....have been approved:

Edit to add: Apologies, but I couldn't seem to be able to copy the article text here Roll Eyes

Interesting to see the claim that the line "will pass within a few feet of the house in which Lorna Doone was written" repeated. Aside from the question of how material that is as a consideration, my desk-based analysis (of which Peter Brett Associates would be proud!) suggest that it's quite a lot more than a few feet.

And instant coffee is an abomination.
8  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Preserved railway lines, Railtours and other rail based attractions / Re: Lynton - Barnstaple railway extension plans on: March 01, 2018, 06:38:17 PM
Looking at old maps, Parracombe is never shown as a having a halt, let alone a station, just Parracombe Siding. Woody bay is shown as a station (though not at Woody Bay, obviously). Finding a map with the route on it does show just how remarkably wiggly it was.

The waiting shelter, perhaps rather embarrassingly for the 7-strong team of experts responsible for the PBA report, is still extant.
9  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Preserved railway lines, Railtours and other rail based attractions / Re: Lynton - Barnstaple railway extension plans on: March 01, 2018, 02:07:21 PM
While following the White Rabbit that grahame's recent post set running, I found the 40-odd page report that Ms Grob commissioned Peter Brett Associates to compile in opposition to the L&B's scheme.

Here's an example of their work: I won't quote it verbatim, for fear of finding myself on the wrong end of copyright litigation, but Para 2.2.2 claims that Parracombe Halt never functioned as a place where people could get on or off a train but acted merely as a place where (and I paraphrase slightly, but not much) fuel was put in locomotives' water tanks.

I am not a lawyer, or an expert on the history of the L&B, but I think that assertion could probably be challenged...

10  Sideshoots - associated subjects / Preserved railway lines, Railtours and other rail based attractions / Re: Lynton - Barnstaple railway extension plans on: March 01, 2018, 11:37:53 AM
It was closed because it goes up such a steep incline that its dangerous.

Really? My official 'History of the Lynworth and Barnchester Railroad', which sadly I have mislaid but I am sure I'm remembering correctly, said that the main reason the line closed was because the rails were attracting magnetic Martian goob-goob rays which were making the alpaca milk go bad, thus damaging the local hipster economy. But I may be misremembering....

It runs within a few yards of a very famous church St Petrocs, which people come from all over the world to visit.

In a cutting...

They'll be able to get there by train when the line is built - isn't that better than clogging up the lanes with tourist buses?

11  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: MetroBus on: February 28, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
Bus traffic will always backup when a route traverses the Temple Meads Gyratory as its half way point in its route.

You may be right, but the Temple Circus Gyratory is currently undergoing alterations which, among other things, should streamline the traffic flow. We'll see.

The Cribbs Causeway route to Hengrove route will FAIL. It will not deliver a reliable, frequent service because there are two many strangle points in the route from Newfoundland Rd to Temple Meads.

The people in charge of this route should have split it into three!

  • Cribbs CauseWay to Bristol Parkway
  • Bristol Parkway to Bristol Temple Meads
  • Bristol Temple Meads to Hengrove

Integrating Bus and Rail tickets would make this service a success. Not integrating them is a FAIL.

When I was a boy I used to catch the No.3 bus, which ran from Whitchurch to Filton Church/Patchway - a broadly similar route. In the early 70's, they chopped it in two, with the 32 doing Whitchurch - Centre and the 73/74 covering Centre - Filton Church/Patchway. Later, cross-city routes were re-instated with the 54 and 55.

My point here is that when there are cross-city routes, it tends to look like a good idea to split them to mitigate delays caused by congestion, but no sooner is that done than the convenience of through journeys starts to look attractive. Sadly, Brexit negotiators aside, you can't have your cake and eat it.
12  All across the Great Western territory / Other ways to travel: cycle routes, cycles, and how the railways deal with them / Re: Bristol-Bath Railway Path improvement work on: February 26, 2018, 03:57:02 PM
Probably half a dozen or so at Clay Bottom. There are other places where it's a bit tight.
13  All across the Great Western territory / Buses and other ways to travel / Re: Uber and Lyft - metrics of congestion on: February 26, 2018, 01:10:54 PM
first accident will be the end of those....

It wasn't.

I may not live to see electric trains at Temple Meads, but I'm pretty confident I'll see level 5 autonomous vehicles outside...
14  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: MetroBus on: February 24, 2018, 10:11:17 AM

I noticed them, too. I think they are Great Big Silly Old Hectors.

Within a decade then.  A north-south transport link across the former airfield - wouldn't you expect road through an estate like that? I happen to know that east to wet is a little over 2500 metres, but north to south isn't such a big deal. It should be a nice stroll to the new railway station.

Having a bit of trouble working out what you mean here, but the new route does seem rather indirect. Presumably most people living in this part of Greater Thornbury will be listening to the soundtrack of La La Land as they sit in their cars driving to work in Swindon or Cardiff.  I can't imagine many catching the bus into Bristol via all points of the compass...
15  Journey by Journey / Bristol Commuters / Re: Four track for Filton Bank - ongoing discussion on: February 23, 2018, 09:01:59 AM

What looks like capped rebar protrudes above the mound of rubble. Was that put there to allow access for men and machines while reinforced concrete pillars were created?

For info, there's a GA you can look at on the  Bristol City Council Planning Portal, ref 15/00655/RA . Note the disclaimer: subject to further design...

...ooh, I just noticed there's also a little detail on one of the bridge piers: "corble(sic) for future OLE mast". I'm sure they'll value-engineer that away.
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