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« Reply #540 on: March 13, 2015, 14:39:49 »

The one I referred to (it being loaded onto/off a barge above) is stock - as in it's old. As I said, I'm sure I saw that in articles from Japan about its shipment. You can see from others you refer to that it was offloaded from ship to land, not barge
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« Reply #541 on: March 13, 2015, 17:43:30 »

Wonder why they used a stock shot? I'm sure that's it being loaded in Japan....

On BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) twitter, there's this


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Notice its fitted with the new bi-mode bogies .................. that is can be used on the highway as well as rail this how they plan to get around bustituion in the future  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #542 on: March 13, 2015, 19:45:51 »


Notice its fitted with the new bi-mode bogies .................. that is can be used on the highway as well as rail this how they plan to get around bustituion in the future  Grin Grin Grin

Nothing new there - I passed a FGW (First Great Western) Mark 3 on the M5 last week, presumably working Gloucester to Temple Meads.
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« Reply #543 on: March 24, 2015, 20:09:06 »

The Bristol Post is living up to its proud history of never letting accuracy get in the way of a page-filler of an editorial.

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THEY'VE served us well. But the time has finally come to say goodbye to the aging rolling stock of Class 43 High Speed Trains (HSTs (High Speed Train)) that take Bristolians to London. And not before time.

The diesel locomotives were state-of-the-art technology when they were launched in the mid-1970s.

But the HSTs do not live up to their name in the 21st century.

For too long now, and despite some refurbishment by operator First Great Western, Bristol train travellers using the London line have had to put up with engines and carriages that were, frankly, past their best.

In fact, compared to many other train services around the country, the services were slightly embarrassing.

No longer. The outdated facilities, seating and technology of the HSTs will be replaced by modern "Turbo" trains, bringing more services, faster journey times, more capacity, better comfort and even free wifi.

Bristol is a modern city.

As proud as we are of our rail heritage, rail visitors from the capital need to arrive by modern means.

Now, at last, they will.

Turbo indeed. Someone at the Post has Turbo on the brain.

I like this though, from Hitachi Rail Europe's website:

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AT300 FOR THE WEST OF ENGLAND
 
Hitachi Rail Europe named as FirstGroup^s preferred supplier to provide fleet of new AT300 trains for the South West

In March 2015 Hitachi Rail Europe announced that it had been named by FirstGroup as preferred supplier, subject to contract, for the supply of 29 trains for the new First Great Western franchise.This is subject to approval by the Department for Transport.



29 bi-mode AT300 trains running primarily from London Paddington to Plymouth and Penzance

The fleet of 29 bi-mode AT300 trains would run primarily from London Paddington to Plymouth and Penzance, replacing 40-year-old High Speed Trains on the key intercity route to the south west. Made up of seven nine-car and 22 five-car trains, with an option for 30 more, the mixed fleet would allow for flexible use, including 10-car formations (two five-cars coupled together) for through-services to/from the capital.

Mark Hopwood, Managing Director of First Great Western said: ^Following the direct award of the franchise announced by the Department for Transport, I am delighted that we have selected Hitachi Rail Europe as our preferred supplier for new intercity trains, should the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) approve our plans. The fleet currently running on routes in the South West of England, is nearly 40 years old, and passengers would greatly benefit from brand new, highly comfortable trains. FirstGroup has conducted a competitive procurement exercise for these trains and we are close to securing private financing for the deal shortly. The DfT will be making a final decision by the end of June^.

Andy Barr, Chief Operating Officer, Hitachi Rail Europe said: ^The Class 800 bi-mode trains were initially designed for the Great Western and East Coast main lines and we have refined the design further for the challenges of the route to Plymouth and Penzance. We have put a lot of thought into ensuring a passenger environment that is comfortable for short and long-distance journeys, incorporating feedback by passenger groups.

^The announcement cements our already strong relationship with FirstGroup and we are looking forward to working closely to progress negotiations and start building the trains, ready for use in the South West of England from 2018.
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Nice shot of a Turbo, there...
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« Reply #544 on: March 24, 2015, 20:58:16 »

Just as bad is the Bath Chronicle that says "From December 2018 a major new timetable will be launched which will see 45 more services a day between Bath and London". Doh! Go and read the Dft release again where you will see this only applies to Bristol not Bath.
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« Reply #545 on: March 25, 2015, 12:30:19 »

I assume that the reference to "Turbos" is because the Turbo is a DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) driven from motors beneath the carriages rather than locomotive hauled. The new Hitachi trains will likewise be a modern form of DMU. Let us hope that the Hitachi trains will have better noise and vibration insulation than the Adelantes that also have under carriage motors. The Adelantes were originally introduced to provide the higher frequency Cardiff/London service introduced with the original FGW (First Great Western) franchise but FGW, I understand, received many complaints from the Welsh users about the noise and vibration that is not present on HSTs (High Speed Train) to which they had been used to.
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« Reply #546 on: March 25, 2015, 12:47:01 »

I'm hoping they will have much better noise and vibration insulation, and of course not every vehicle has an engine underneath it anyway so they will be quiet no matter what mode the train is powered by.
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« Reply #547 on: March 25, 2015, 13:18:51 »

Turbos are specifically the 165/6s. They are a form of DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit), as are Adelantes.
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« Reply #548 on: March 25, 2015, 18:22:16 »

Turbos are specifically the 165/6s. They are a form of DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit), as are Adelantes.

And so are class 253 and 254

aka intercity 125 HSDT (Original name for High Speed Train) they are a diesel multiple unit
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« Reply #549 on: March 25, 2015, 19:35:18 »

Turbos are specifically the 165/6s. They are a form of DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit), as are Adelantes.

And so are class 253 and 254

aka intercity 125 HSDT (Original name for High Speed Train) they are a diesel multiple unit
Or, they were considered a diesel multiple unit until BR (British Rail(ways)) decided to reclassify the coaches as coaches and the power cars as locomotives owing, I suspect, to the fact that power cars can and do appear on different sets quite often. Whereas DMUs (the odd coach in FirstGW's hybrid 3-car 158s being the main exception) tend to keep the same vehicles in each set well over 90% of the time. The class 43s (IC125 power cars) can also be used in back-to-back pairs to haul the sleeper (with an otherwise failed 57 providing ETS (Electric Train Supply)) or rescue other trains, in which case they can't really be described as anything other than a locomotive.
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« Reply #550 on: March 25, 2015, 21:03:05 »

You suspect correct Rhydgaled. BR (British Rail(ways)) decided to reclassify the Class 253 and 254 HST (High Speed Train) sets a couple of years after their introduction. Power cars were being constantly swapped around and you'd often have sets with two different numbers front and rear. Caused confusion for diagramming. Changing the power cars to individual locomotive numbers, 43xxx, prevented this.
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« Reply #551 on: March 26, 2015, 10:16:30 »

.....of course one of the big advantages of IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) will be power door operation.  This will cut out loads of lost minutes at country stations whilst the train manager strolls up and down the platform closing doors left open by those who don't care Roll Eyes
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« Reply #552 on: March 26, 2015, 10:21:25 »

Indeed.  There's lots of other improvements over HSTs (High Speed Train) as well that others fail to mention.
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« Reply #553 on: March 26, 2015, 15:14:25 »

http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Opinion-New-trains-jeopardise-electrification/story-26217290-detail/story.html?

A call for further electrification to(wards) the South West, and for the HSTs (High Speed Train) to be life extended to 2025 so there's no need to buy an expensive non-electrice fleet in the meantime.
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« Reply #554 on: March 26, 2015, 15:52:29 »

Of course, there aren't any other lines already waiting for the wires machine.....
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