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« Reply #585 on: November 28, 2019, 01:17:42 pm »

Thanks for the very clear summary.

If the northern entrance is to become the official main entrance, as well as the most popular, then it does make sense for buses to stop in the Friary rather than on the Incline. I agree with the taxidriver that it would be more convenient to have taxis and buses in the same area, but I wonder if there will be space. I also wonder how passengers to/from the buses will interact with those coming on foot or bike from the Valentine and Cheesegrater bridges: is there a plan to build a second footbridge across the 'moat'?

Finally, where is the Fish Dock siding? It sounds like there's going to be a footbridge across the Avon directly into the station?
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« Reply #586 on: November 28, 2019, 01:54:54 pm »

Fishdock was/is the sidings on the right hand side of Platform two if you are looking towards the trains arriving from the weston direction
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« Reply #587 on: November 28, 2019, 02:07:54 pm »

Finally, where is the Fish Dock siding? It sounds like there's going to be a footbridge across the Avon directly into the station?

To expand on infoman's reply, the plan involves using the trackbed on the west side of the Cattle Market Road bridge. It wasn't clear whether this this meant taking out both tracks into the Platform 2 bay, or just the westernmost; I had imagined that P2 would be used for Portishead terminators but perhaps that's not necessary.
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« Reply #588 on: November 28, 2019, 02:37:17 pm »

Thanks. Fish Dock perhaps makes more sense as a name than Platform 2, as I don't think I've ever seen a passenger service there. Mind you, maybe Yellow Engineering Train Dock would be most appropriate!
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« Reply #589 on: November 28, 2019, 02:53:23 pm »

Thank you for that report. Does the removal of the subway represent the first stroke of "value engineering"? I thought that P0 and P1 were going to be for the via Parkway London services primarily, but unless P1 is extended, it won't hold a 9-car IET.
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« Reply #590 on: November 28, 2019, 04:02:23 pm »

Thank you, very informative.

So, some speculation based on Red Squirrel's summary. 

- Using the Midland shed for a foyer is a neat trick as indeed, it avoids having to build over or under platforms 0 and 1. It's quite a big space and IIRC there are a row of windows on the northern side that could be unbricked for light. But I imagine that there is very little, if any, structural alteration that needs to be made to the listed shell. Which could make for speedy consenting and build. There's also the possibility of taking over the existing event space for offices etc.

- Furthermore, it should be possible to build the new foyer before the signal box is removed, which can't happen until various bits of track west of Bristol have been resignalled, which I believe is currently postponed. Also handy. However, that resignalling will facilitate electrification, so it's good news that platforms 0 and 1 are in the plan. I *think* that if the start of P0 and P1 are moved a little west of the current walkway there's just about enough space for a 10-car IET.

- I believe that a public walkway under the station was promised by the Council and University and work is planned to build it during the 2021 blockade.

- Busses - the only service that you'd really need to be on the Friary is the A1 and A2 towards the airport. The rest could conceivably all end up on Temple Gate, with the southbound stop used to berth the odd bus.

- Where the cycle hub would be is an interesting question. My guess is that the current car park between the station and the Friary will end up with a big glass box on it, and the ground floor of that box would be a load of retail and food chains, which might explain why Network Rail is so supportive of local businesses for a change.   

- The car parking will go on the Kwik-Fit site. Using the engineers' siding is a neat trick as it exits on the level next to the BTP offices, but as far as I can see, the platform face is still kept if required as there are two lines. I reckon you could just about get away with an entrance and exit into the roundabout to permit northbound exits with a bit of work and phasing of the lights.

One question though - was there any mention of electrification in the plans?
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« Reply #591 on: November 28, 2019, 05:03:17 pm »

Thank you for that report. Does the removal of the subway represent the first stroke of "value engineering"?

I don't think so - I think it was always going to be a big ask to create a public subway right under the station because that would require either a set of ticket barriers at every platform, or a whole new subway built through the vaults. As it is, there will be a new route along the Floating Harbour immediately to the north of the station, so anyone wanting to get round rather than into the station will at least have that as an option.

I thought that P0 and P1 were going to be for the via Parkway London services primarily, but unless P1 is extended, it won't hold a 9-car IET.

As soon as I saw the stubby little bay on the artist's impression, I thought 'Aha, that'll do for terminators coming in on the reliefs - Severn Beach, Henbury, Gloucester, Great Malvern... By my reckoning the platforms will be about 160m, so enough to accommodate a 5-car IET or a Castle set.


One question though - was there any mention of electrification in the plans?


No.
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« Reply #592 on: November 28, 2019, 05:25:45 pm »

- Where the cycle hub would be is an interesting question. My guess is that the current car park between the station and the Friary will end up with a big glass box on it, and the ground floor of that box would be a load of retail and food chains, which might explain why Network Rail is so supportive of local businesses for a change.   
At the moment there's cycle parking in front of the BTP* station and on P2 (or 3? thereabouts). Not sure why the parking in front of BTP has to move?

*That's British Transport Police not Boston Tea Party, though it might be a good idea to have one of each onsite.
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« Reply #593 on: November 28, 2019, 05:36:53 pm »

Very interesting information. Did anyone stick their neck out with timescales for these changes? Are there any illustrations of the plans available yet.
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