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« on: December 13, 2007, 17:57:25 »

In tonight's Bristol Evening Post:

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144913&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231190&home=yes&more_nodeId1=144922&contentPK=19248873
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 18:00:47 »

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This time around, campaigners have pointed the finger at a shortage of carriages on some services. They also say a new system which is seeing long trains stopping at small stations, only opening a limited number of doors, is causing delays as passengers fight their way on and off.


Do they suggest all doors are open and we let the passengers onto the track?
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 22:03:58 »

I hadn't heard of too many cases where that actually happened.  But FGW (First Great Western)'s plans to use HSTs (High Speed Train) at additional local stations didn't work as "grandfather rights" couldn't be extended to the stations they were looking to stop at (eg Worle). So for the sake of H&S (Health and Safety), a new system had to be introduced, at significant cost, and passenger inconvenience. Such is progress. No wonder Roger Ford (Modern Railways) calls them the H&S Taliban.   
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 11:26:29 »

Further quote :

"He urged local authorities to work together to secure new engines and carriages from the Government's Department for Transport."

A message from FGW (First Great Western) to Wiltshire and others?
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 13:35:08 »

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Do they suggest all doors are open and we let the passengers onto the track?


Why not? if people are stupid enough to do so then they deserve to be run over! Small children shoud be supervised.

I have a brain, I would appreciate it if the "heath and safety" talibans could acknowledge this fact!
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2007, 07:54:15 »

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Do they suggest all doors are open and we let the passengers onto the track?


Why not? if people are stupid enough to do so then they deserve to be run over! Small children shoud be supervised.

I have a brain, I would appreciate it if the "heath and safety" talibans could acknowledge this fact!

problem is most people seem to leave there brain at home when they travel by train..and  we now live a a no win no fee compensation culture so the claims would come flying in
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 13:17:36 »

Can be found in the link below.
http://thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144913&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231190&home=yes&more_nodeId1=144922&contentPK=19557973

Things I noticed :

Haines again raises the concept of a version of the "Northern Way" , which sees the local authorities and the Regional Development Agency come together to develop a strategic investment plan. As I knew this was FGW (First Great Western) policy, my recent West Fleet proposal had that partly in mind (link below.)
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1407.msg8181#msg8181

Two coincidences :

The Haines interview has been printed on the same day as the MTLS (More Train Less Strain) public meeting, and also on the same day as the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) awarded Transport Innovation Fund "pump-priming" money to the West Of England Partnership.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 08:59:53 »

If the energy and commitment  that went into complaining /moaning about FGW (First Great Western) and Organising Fare strikes was channelled into Supporting Andrew Haines vision we might start getting somewhere.
Insted of sitting back and letting other areas put forward a case for more funding /better services
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 10:01:18 »

If the energy and commitment  that went into complaining /moaning about FGW (First Great Western) and Organising Fare strikes was channelled into Supporting Andrew Haines vision we might start getting somewhere.
Insted of sitting back and letting other areas put forward a case for more funding /better services

I have already put my plan to the DfT» (Department for Transport - about), FGW and others. No response from FGW so far, but the DfT say they are considering it.

The cynic in me says "dont hold your breath" , but if you dont ask, then you dont get.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 11:39:07 »

Can't understand what the fool is on about when he compairs the train company with the bus company. They have the same parent company and contribute to the profits to that same parent company but are run as complete seperate buinesses.

That I suppose is the trouble with the " FIRSTGROUP" bashers from around this part, they don't what their on about!
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 11:45:59 »

Can't understand what the fool is on about when he compairs the train company with the bus company. They have the same parent company and contribute to the profits to that same parent company but are run as complete seperate buinesses.

That I suppose is the trouble with the " FIRSTGROUP" bashers from around this part, they don't what their on about!

For the benefit of forum readers, are you reffering to a poster in the comments section of the Bristol Evening Post article, 12hoursunday?
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 11:58:20 »

Sorry Lee Yes I am. I wouldn't dare call anyone on here a fool. Grin
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 09:41:05 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/22/transport.railtravel

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Passengers on First Great Western are used to hearing the word "sorry" from Andrew Haines. The boss of Britain's least popular rail franchise sometimes gets an earthier reply from the most disgruntled customers on the rail network, especially when he is stranded with them on the 6.30pm from Paddington to Weston-super-Mare.

"Last night on the train we were stuck for 30 minutes and I had to listen to another customer's language, which probably even the Guardian would not print. Plenty of use of the c word."

Oaths have been muttered up and down the London-to-Cardiff line over the past year as FGW (First Great Western) struggles with overcrowding, passenger protests and endemic tardiness. Last month it was voted the UK (United Kingdom)'s worst rail service, hence its inevitable rechristening as "Worst Late Western", and the situation must be bad when the man who presided over the first run on a high street bank in more than a century, chancellor Alistair Darling, urges managers to "get a grip".

Haines was drafted in as chief operating officer of FGW by its parent, FirstGroup, five months ago and is working a six-day week as he toils over the franchise, alongside executing his responsibilities for four other rail services as the head of FirstGroup's rail division. He is affable, but does not exude sunny optimism about the franchise. This is in contrast with his predecessor, Alison Forster, who told the Guardian last year that "it will be a very different place in a year's time", adding that "it will be seen as one of the best operations in the UK rather than one of the worst".

Sat in a boardroom at FGW's Paddington station office, the 43-year-old Welshman mutters about finding the most diplomatic response to an impossible pledge. He outlines a turnaround plan measured in inches rather than leaps, starting with a lowering of the sights.

"Alison was clearly setting out an aspiration that, with the benefit of hindsight, was probably too ambitious and not realistic. There are big issues to tackle and we are absolutely on the right ground to do that now. But I will not promise that it will be top of the league next year. It will not be. My experience of business transformation is that it does not happen overnight."

Haines insists that the cussing customer on the Weston-super-Mare service is not representative of most passengers. Rail users angered at being shoehorned on to trains have registered their concerns: two fare strikes in the past year have made their point and FGW allowed hundreds of passengers with protest tickets, most of whom were season ticket holders anyway, to board trains. Haines finds the abusive stuff harder to take.

"You feel physically sick. I didn't feel I could do anything for that customer," he says, referring to the fact that their train was being held up by a service from another franchise. But Haines is not expecting a consoling pat on the back. Perhaps a little less ripe language would be appreciated, but FGW will lose the franchise if excuses continue to outweigh improvements.

Haines has prostrated himself since taking over. Stations on the FGW routes have been adorned with posters carrying apologies from the FGW boss and his team and passenger compensation has been doubled - 10% off their season tickets. Some of the excuses are sounding tired, no matter how impressive the promises attached to them, particularly the repeated references to the ^200m investment in train and station refurbishments that are part of the 10-year franchise. The ^200m investment was announced when FirstGroup renewed the franchise two years ago and many passengers argue it has not worked.

Anthony Smith, chief executive of commuter watchdog Passenger Focus, says Haines, a lifelong railway man who joined British Rail as a graduate manager in 1985, has the pedigree to turn around FGW. "He is universally trusted and respected throughout the industry. There is relief that he has arrived but it is a pity he has not arrived earlier." Smith adds that the ^200m programme has been crushingly ambitious, combining the overhaul of 53 high-speed train sets with a ^1.1bn government payment schedule that imposes hefty fare increases on fed-up customers.

"The task is huge, absolutely huge," Smith says. "The scale of the ambition was correct, but given the size of the task it had to be done quickly in order to get a return. First Great Western did everything very quickly at once. The company came badly unstuck, doing things too quickly on top of very shaky infrastructure, old track and old signals."

So, has FGW committed a fatal misjudgment in promising a miraculous performance? "I fundamentally disagree with Anthony Smith," says Haines. "But I can understand why he says that because our delivery has not been strong. If we are not ambitious someone else will win the franchise."

Smith insists that the sums don't add up. FGW has charged the highest fare increases in the UK over the past decade, but the ^1.1bn contract with the Department for Transport, which defines timetables and carriage numbers as well as demanding a lofty premium, is constraining the company's ability to fix its problems.

"Everyone recognises that it was a bad deal," Smith says. "Is the investment enough or does more money need to go in from First Great Western, the government or a partnership? We are getting to halfway through the franchise and it's a question of who is going to blink first."

There is not much of a staring contest to be had when government railway policy states that annual public subsidy across the network will fall from ^4.5bn to ^3bn from 2009, while the farepayers' contribution will nearly double to ^9bn. Haines says FGW will put more money in over and above the ^200m, but won't say how much or where it will be invested, although FGW is hunting down more rolling stock. He adds that the "vast majority" of FGW's profits, which represent around a third of the rail division's ^109m annual surplus, is being reinvested in the franchise. Haines won't reveal explicit figures, but one financial certainty in all of this is that fares will continue to rise above inflation into the next decade.

"We are all big boys and we decided to bid for the franchise. The government wanted to rebalance the contribution by taxpayers and we accepted that. Will there be some passenger pain? Yes."

More Trains Less Strain, the passenger group that called the fare strikes, believes the service has improved since the dark days of 2007, when FGW fumbled the introduction of a new timetable and failed to put enough carriages on. But punctuality - more than a quarter of all peaktime FGW trains arrive late - and high fares still annoy.

"It is good that Andrew Haines is there," says More Trains Less Strain's Peter Andrews. "We are pleased that he is a railway man, but until we get a franchise that is punctual, affordable and reliable, we will keep on rebelling. At the moment we are seeing none of those things."

Haines is exasperated at the group's plucky appropriation of the dark arts: "I agree to meet them and they put out a press release saying I'm 'rattled'," he says, before admitting that the company has become disconnected from its customers.

Network Rail has also driven a considerable wedge between Haines and the farepayers. The owner of Britain's rail infrastructure is responsible for maintaining a great western route whose track dates from the 1970s and whose signalling systems are a decade older. Half the delays on the consistently shoddy Oxford-to-Paddington section are due to Network Rail problems. The replacement of Forster was accompanied by a new route manager at Network Rail, confirmation that both companies had got it wrong since 2006. Haines says the relationship is much better and incremental improvements are being made all over the route, which covers the West Country down to Penzance as well as the Cardiff and Oxford routes. However, he won't put the boot into Network Rail. "Would it make the customers feel any better?" And he accepts that FGW got a lot wrong .

"First Great Western underestimated the scale of the challenge. It underestimated the strength of passenger feeling ... be it timetable changes, be it fare rises, be it service levels. It was a complex task, integrating three franchises into one, re-engineering and refurbishing a high-speed train fleet in three years."

Government sources say FGW's performance is "under a microscope", which threatens the corporate and personal humiliation of FirstGroup being stripped of the franchise. Haines says he is a turnaround specialist who restored South West Trains from a much criticised business to an award-winning franchise within years. A former British Rail colleague, Virgin Trains' chief operating officer, Chris Gibbs, says: "Passengers should know that Andrew will be leaving no stone unturned in the quest for better performance on First Great Western, and should not doubt his sheer energy and personal commitment." That reputation faces its biggest test with this franchise.

"Is it a tough job? Yes," says Haines. "Do I have phenomenal support from the top of the group? Absolutely. Our customers can be mightily unhappy and I cannot say my wife is happy either with the time I have been spending on it. But I don't feel browbeaten."
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2008, 06:48:43 »

[quote="Guardian.co.uk]
Smith insists that the sums don't add up. FGW (First Great Western) has charged the highest fare increases in the UK (United Kingdom) over the past decade, but the ^1.1bn contract with the Department for Transport, which defines timetables and carriage numbers as well as demanding a lofty premium, is constraining the company's ability to fix its problems.

Interesting use of the word "define" rather than "specify"  Grin

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 21:36:55 »

Guardian article link, including Andrew Haines CV.
http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/rude_awakening_on_the_630_from.html#more

Similar article link.
http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/boss_of_worst_rail_service_itl.html#more
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