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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2013, 23:40:05 »

Do the IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) and Thameslink (PFI deals?) fall foul of this too?

The ONS» (Office for National Statistics - website) statement refers only to "not-for-profit institutions" as being affected by these rulest. It adds "From these industries [water and energy] we have therefore concluded that no other bodies in these areas need reclassification under ESA 2010". So no.
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2013, 18:47:54 »

Do the IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) and Thameslink (PFI deals?) fall foul of this too?
Not as far as the rolling stock part of these projects are concerned, these are contracts between DfT» (Department for Transport - about), the manufactures, RoSCo's and financial institutions (banks), the NR» (Network Rail - home page) parts of the projects do as it is funded to carryout the work
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2014, 15:50:41 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

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Punctuality rates were hit by extreme weather, Network Rail said

Network Rail has said it expects to be fined about ^70m - a record figure - for delays suffered by passengers.

The Office of Rail Regulation (ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about)) is expected to impose the penalty later this year.

Network Rail, which maintains Britain's tracks and rail infrastructure, said it was disappointed passengers had not seen the punctuality it had promised.

It said work was continuing to make the network more reliable - but congestion and extreme weather had caused delays.

For Network Rail to meet the ORR's punctuality target, 92.5% of trains must arrive "on time" - which is defined as within five minutes of the planned time for local services and 10 minutes for long-distance trains.
 
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The company was told last year that it could face a fine of up to ^75m if it failed to hit this target. A Network Rail spokeswoman said a fine of about ^70m was now expected.

The BBC understands the fine could be lower if the ORR accepts that uncontrollable factors such as weather played a significant part in delays.

The previous biggest fine was ^14m, imposed in February 2008 after engineering work overran during the preceding Christmas and New Year period.

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The fine would relate to Network Rail's performance over a five-year period which ends on Monday.

The company spokeswoman told the BBC the full punctuality statistics for the period were not yet available, but the final figure was likely to be "just short of 90%".

She said missing the target was "disappointing" but the company planned to "restore record levels of performance" with ^38bn of investment in the next five-year period.

The company would "provide more trains, more seats and quicker, greener journeys," she added.


Engineers are still working to repair the storm-damaged railway line at Dawlish in Devon

An ORR spokeswoman said its assessment of Network Rail's performance for 2009-14 would not be complete until June.

ORR chief executive Richard Price said Network Rail had developed a "comprehensive" improvement plan to "achieve a better railway for Britain".

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"Now it is time for the company, in collaboration with the industry, to make it happen," he said.

"ORR will be scrutinising progress closely to ensure plans for extra capacity, expanding and electrifying the railway, improving train punctuality, enhancing the resilience of our rail network to severe weather, closing level crossings and increasing workforce safety are effectively delivered."

David Sidebottom, acting chief executive of Passenger Focus, said passengers would be disappointed that Network Rail had "failed to deliver on its top priority - performance".

"It is essential that it gets a grip of the situation and delivers sustainable improvements," he said.

Network Rail is funded by a mixture of government grants and money from train companies which use the network.
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2014, 22:45:51 »

What makes me laugh is this extract from the article:

"Network Rail, which maintains Britain's tracks and rail infrastructure, said it was disappointed passengers had not seen the punctuality it had promised.

It said work was continuing to make the network more reliable - but congestion and extreme weather had caused delays"

Now, as Network Rail sells train paths to freight and passenger operators what they're saying is we've effectively oversold paths and as a result we (Network Rail) have created the congestion which is causing the delays. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2014, 05:11:34 »

What makes me laugh is this extract from the article:

"Network Rail, which maintains Britain's tracks and rail infrastructure, said it was disappointed passengers had not seen the punctuality it had promised.

It said work was continuing to make the network more reliable - but congestion and extreme weather had caused delays"

Now, as Network Rail sells train paths to freight and passenger operators what they're saying is we've effectively oversold paths and as a result we (Network Rail) have created the congestion which is causing the delays. 
So then they refuse extra train paths to virgin and they are told they are being too restrictive.  They do have a consistent story here.
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2014, 05:47:13 »

But it is Network Rails job to manage the network, wether that is limiting the number of freight or passenger paths or just better scheduling. 
We've a number of services out of Paddington that are booked to follow freight trains, by the time they reach Reading they are close to 10 minutes late.
There's also a large number of services delayed by Freightliner services outside Reading, again, the same services are delayed by the same Freightliners every night.  That's unfortunately down to Network Rails poor management.

At the end of the day, what is actually gained by imposing the fine on Network Rail?
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2014, 09:11:49 »

At the end of the day, what is actually gained by imposing the fine on Network Rail?

The whole bigger question is "how do you motivate 'Network Rail' to do a good job?"    It's not a for-profit company with shareholders / owners, for example.  But then the same question can be asked of any nationalised or seminationalised service / industry, and the question if it were private is "do we really want profit rather than service to be the motivator?"

And I'm not even sure if the failure to reach targets was due to bad management, calculated risks taken that went against calculations, or sheer bad luck.

Another cog in the complex world of the railway money-go-round.  Does the money get paid by the passenger in the end, or get quietly added back in to grants and payments for capital projects from government which dwarf the 70 million?


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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2014, 15:49:24 »

The latter - and you can be sure that NR» (Network Rail - home page) include these potential fines within the contingences witin their CPx forecast.

Total moneygoround....
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2014, 16:46:23 »

The whole bigger question is "how do you motivate 'Network Rail' to do a good job?"    It's not a for-profit company with shareholders / owners, for example. 

Another interesting question, we seem to have have lost the "Public Service" ethos since Thatcher who denigrated the whole concept.

In my time on the railway in the early 60s we were accused of playing trains, but there was a spirit of the train must get through. Hence me piloting 8 COR from Sutton to Selhurst at 21:00 on a Sunday night because the driver didn't know the road. Engineering work at HAckbridge on its normal route.Wouldn't be allowed now! Thus we would have blocked Sutton until a driver could be found which would have probably been several hours.
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2014, 16:53:23 »

But it is Network Rails job to manage the network, wether that is limiting the number of freight or passenger paths or just better scheduling. 
We've a number of services out of Paddington that are booked to follow freight trains, by the time they reach Reading they are close to 10 minutes late.

Production of the detailed timetables is, of course, NR» (Network Rail - home page)'s job. The number of trains allowed to run on the network is down to the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) which has to approve track access applications. They have been known to refuse applications because of predicted effects on timekeeping. Souther Railway's application for a fourth train to Brighton each hour from London is a case in point.

It's not all NR's fault.

There's also a large number of services delayed by Freightliner services outside Reading, again, the same services are delayed by the same Freightliners every night.  That's unfortunately down to Network Rails poor management.

At the end of the day, what is actually gained by imposing the fine on Network Rail?

Isn't this the reason, or at least one of them, for the reconstruction of Reading station? Planning for this work started in Control Period 3, Control Period 5 has just started. The problems have been known about for years but with the increased numbers of trains the number of conflicts increase. The problem is that large infrastructure changes take time to implement.

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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2014, 17:23:18 »

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Isn't this the reason, or at least one of them, for the reconstruction of Reading station? Planning for this work started in Control Period 3, Control Period 5 has just started. The problems have been known about for years but with the increased numbers of trains the number of conflicts increase. The problem is that large infrastructure changes take time to implement.

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It'll improve flow through Reading for some services but freight will still cause delays coming across Southcote Junction, which I believe should have dived under the Westbury lines and will still cause problems between Reading West Jnc and Oxford for relief line services.

Anyone who uses the Readng to Basingstoke will now the route isn't the best for punctuality and that boils down to the fact freight is given priority.  Freightliners are given that priority because of the stiffer financial penalties Network Rail receive if they run late.
You've only got to look at huge disruption events like a fatality. When the line reopens th first thing they do is send all the freight through, an hour or so later it'll reopen it to passenger traffic.
The priorities now are all wrong, the railway is no longer a public service.  If the financial penalties to Network Rail were the same for both freight and passenger traffic things would be very different.



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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2014, 18:16:19 »

And I suspect the directors will still get their bribe bonus. The lower grade staff will more than likely loose their bonuses to 'pay' for it.
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2014, 10:04:08 »

 
We've a number of services out of Paddington that are booked to follow freight trains, by the time they reach Reading they are close to 10 minutes late.

I was on one such last week and the train manager made sure we knew why we were running late each time he apologised - 'they've helpfully let a freight train go in front of us'.  Point taken.
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2014, 18:49:19 »

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Isn't this the reason, or at least one of them, for the reconstruction of Reading station? Planning for this work started in Control Period 3, Control Period 5 has just started. The problems have been known about for years but with the increased numbers of trains the number of conflicts increase. The problem is that large infrastructure changes take time to implement.

Corrected typo.


It'll improve flow through Reading for some services but freight will still cause delays coming across Southcote Junction, which I believe should have dived under the Westbury lines and will still cause problems between Reading West Jnc and Oxford for relief line services.

Anyone who uses the Readng to Basingstoke will now the route isn't the best for punctuality and that boils down to the fact freight is given priority.  Freightliners are given that priority because of the stiffer financial penalties Network Rail receive if they run late.
You've only got to look at huge disruption events like a fatality. When the line reopens th first thing they do is send all the freight through, an hour or so later it'll reopen it to passenger traffic.
The priorities now are all wrong, the railway is no longer a public service.  If the financial penalties to Network Rail were the same for both freight and passenger traffic things would be very different.



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In principle I agree with you that a grade separated junction at Southcote would be an improvement. Ideally, I would suggest, that this could also include an independent line for the north-south (and vice versa) container trains to the west of the existing lines which would connects directly into the Reading West Curve to Scours Lane. It would need a new bridge over the Oxford Road, so it is an expensive pipe-dream!

However, the best is often the enemy of the good and it may be that a new bridge at Southcote would be a bridge too far in terms of expenditure. Don't forget that the traffic density in this area is already less than that seen on the GW (Great Western)'s main route so any expenditure is unlikely to have such a dramatic effect in reducing delay minutes as that on the main line. The improvements already being made will certainly reduce the number of conflicts at the Reading junctions and the additional platform roads will also increase throughput so it may be difficult to justify an expenditure of ^50 to ^100m for further reduction in what will already be a reduced number of delays.

It has been suggested that the capacity of the Reading-Basingstoke line could be increased by adding some more signals. A further reduction of delays to the container trains, and hence also in the passenger traffic, has been proposed by adding an additional line at Basingstoke to the north of the existing platforms (essentially on the site of the old GW station) and allowing the freights to join the South Western line on the less congested western side of Basingstoke station. Whether this proposal is being taken forward at the moment I don't know.

An area which will be upgraded in this Control Period is the section from Didcot North junction through Oxford to Wolvercote and this should also ease regulation. This will almost certainly reduce knock-on delays further reducing the justification for a Southcote flyover.

My main point though is that conflicts will always occur. It is also certainly true that poor choices have been made in train regulation. However, what one doesn't know from the information at hand is whether, to take your example of a freight being sent out in front of a passenger train with the result that the passenger train was 10 minutes late at Reading, another choice might have caused even more delays further down the line if the freight had been held and as a result missed its path at, say, Aynho Junction causing mayhem later in Birmingham. Freight doesn't necessarily have priority, but the FOC (Freight Operating Company) does have a contract with NR» (Network Rail - home page) concerning performance, as do the TOCs (Train Operating Company), so the FOC also expects fair treatment. It also has to get its freight to its customers on time - or, at least, as near as possible to time!

The other point you make - about freights being sent through first after a fatality - may well be true if a suitable fright train is in the area. After all, containers are less likely to be upset by the sight of body parts than are passengers.

It's all a compromise, but the DeltaRail signalling and traffic control equipment at Didcot ROC (Rail Operating Centre - a centralised location for railway signalling and train control operations for a specific route or region) holds the potential to minimise global delays by working through all the consequences of a suggested course of action before a decision is made. Computers are good at things like that - it is entirely possible that life will get better!
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« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2014, 08:50:33 »

Fright train - love it :-)
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