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« Reply #975 on: March 04, 2018, 22:39:12 »

For the benefit of those with Twitter, this seems a pretty good way of clearing snow.....

Check out @GreaterAngliaPR’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/GreaterAngliaPR/status/970305018934054912?s=09

Good news.  Even those of us not signed up to Twitter can see this footage.  The ignorance of some of the comments reminds me why I'm not a subscriber.
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« Reply #976 on: March 04, 2018, 22:43:19 »

That must be such fun, driving one of those.  Grin

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« Reply #977 on: May 19, 2018, 12:18:41 »

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Plans have been announced to move the rail line at Dawlish out into the sea as part of plans to tackle major issues the Plymouth to Exeter line has suffered in the past.

Network Rail has confirmed it's hoping to extend the line and had previously said that they wanted to build a 400m (1,300ft) causeway near Teignmouth.

The project to replace the flood-hit Dawlish line, which connects the south-west to the rest of the country, would see it built about 30 yards out to sea.

The causeway option would see the line rebuild from the tunnel at Smugglers’ Lane, out on to the beach past Spray Point, and then would curve back in land towards Teignmouth.

It now appears that they are going to press ahead with that option which could cost up to £500m.

MP (Member of Parliament) Anne-Marie Morris said: “It’s a scheme we’ve all been hoping and waiting for, and it is good that the £50m is now here.

“This is not just good for my constituents but the entire South West. We have been looking into these works since the [collapse of the Dawlish sea wall in 2014) and what the best solution will be.

“The decision to move out to sea comes because regrading the existing line has been found to be unviable, not just because of the money but the works would mean the railway would close for 6-12 months.

What are the technical proposals for the Dawlish rail line?

1. The line between Holcombe and Teignmouth will be relocated into the sea away from crumbling cliffs. Anne-Marie Morris explains how it needs to be ‘more robust.’

2. The continued strengthening of the sea wall at Dawlish near train station, following the high-profile collapse in February 2014.

3. Works to protect the tunnels by installing ‘avalanche shelters’ to protect the tracks from falling rocks.

4. A ‘helpdesk’ office to open to provide locals and visitors with information about the projects

“There needs to be a full consultation with residents over the loss of beach at Polcombe and Teignmouth. We are looking at Autumn 2018 for this.

“It’s great news and shows the government is delivering on its promise to make the line sustainable in the long term.”

The BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) reports survey work is already underway in preparation to realign the route between Dawlish and Teignmouth.

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« Reply #978 on: May 19, 2018, 16:04:48 »

Surely this can not mean that actual building work is to start ! Must be time for a few more studies, reviews and consultations.
A few posts* back, I expressed doubts about moving the line out to sea, and would be interested to see exactly how they propose to do this.

Are any drawings or plans of the works available ?

*see post #939
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #979 on: September 23, 2018, 15:04:07 »

Hmmm, let's hope that suggestion is slightly more accurate than the nonsense sprouted in the Daily Express (and others) last Autumn saying we were all set for the coldest and snowiest winter in modern times!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/442873/Coldest-winter-in-modern-times-on-way-with-snow-forecast-for-Britain-starting-next-week

Here's this years offering from the Daily Express:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/604619/Long-range-weather-forecast-Britain-cold-winter-2015-arctic-snow-freeze

Someone really should have a word with them!   Roll Eyes

Here's this years carbon copy winter-of-doom forecast from James Madden and Nathan Rao:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/714262/UK-snow-long-range-weather-forecast-cold-winter-2016-Britain-freeze


And here's this year's:

(British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)-weather" target="_blank">http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/868795/UK-winter-weather-forecast-2017-snow-long-range-weather-forecast-Met-Office-BBC-weather

This is 2018's offering from Nathan Rao and Exacta Weather's James Madden:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1021047/UK-weather-long-range-forecast-Britain-heavy-snow-cold-winter-2018-Met-Office
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« Reply #980 on: September 23, 2018, 15:49:50 »

I would find such a report to be concerning if AND ONLY IF it was in a more sensible publication.

Has there been any recent year in which that publication has NOT forecast a severe winter ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #981 on: September 23, 2018, 16:13:20 »

nope - and the Met Office has already ridiculed it, saying temperatures are likely to be slightly warmer owing to a weak El Nino his side of the New Year
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« Reply #982 on: October 14, 2019, 11:53:20 »

Hmmm, let's hope that suggestion is slightly more accurate than the nonsense sprouted in the Daily Express (and others) last Autumn saying we were all set for the coldest and snowiest winter in modern times!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/442873/Coldest-winter-in-modern-times-on-way-with-snow-forecast-for-Britain-starting-next-week

Here's this years offering from the Daily Express:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/604619/Long-range-weather-forecast-Britain-cold-winter-2015-arctic-snow-freeze

Someone really should have a word with them!   Roll Eyes

Here's this years carbon copy winter-of-doom forecast from James Madden and Nathan Rao:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/714262/UK-snow-long-range-weather-forecast-cold-winter-2016-Britain-freeze


And here's this year's:

(British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)-weather" target="_blank">http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/868795/UK-winter-weather-forecast-2017-snow-long-range-weather-forecast-Met-Office-BBC-weather

This is 2018's offering from Nathan Rao and Exacta Weather's James Madden:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1021047/UK-weather-long-range-forecast-Britain-heavy-snow-cold-winter-2018-Met-Office

It wouldn't be October without Nathan and James making things up again:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1184625/UK-weather-heavy-snow-long-range-forecast-Britain-cold-winter-2019-Met-Office

I love the way all the words in the link have simply been rearranged into a different order from last year!
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« Reply #983 on: October 14, 2019, 11:56:59 »

Oh dear...... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-50016322

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Plans to move a storm-hit coastal rail line on to a beach have been described as "horrifying" by residents.

Network Rail has announced plans to move a mile-long stretch of the main railway away from crumbling cliffs.

Campaigners claimed it would involve the destruction of more than half of Holcombe beach near Teignmouth, Devon.

Network Rail said the plans were the "best possible solution" to preserve the line that connected Devon and Cornwall to the rest of the country.

The proposals have been part of a broader series of plans by Network Rail to safeguard the line.

These included the expansion of the sea wall, which began at Dawlish in June, following a major collapse and destruction of the rail line in February 2014.

That project was expected to be completed in January 2020 at a cost of £30m.

Ruth Ward from the Save Holcombe Beach campaign said there must be alternatives to destroying "such a beautiful beach".

"Surely in this day and age we know the sea is rising and moving it out to sea is going to make the problem from the sea worse," she added.

In 2014 the storm damage cost the local economy £1bn as a result of the six-week closure of the line, according to a spokesman for Network Rail.

"Leaving it is not an option. Changing our plans to potentially re-grade the cliff would mean we would have to close the railway line.

"It would have a massive impact on the peninsula, all the way down through Devon and into Cornwall," he added.

Network Rail said the plans were not final and further consultation would be held.

If the project went ahead the building work would begin in 2022 and take up to six years.
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« Reply #984 on: October 14, 2019, 22:41:57 »

I was in Teignmouth last week, and share the concerns of the residents there. I don't think anyone expected the pictures NR» (Network Rail - home page) have come up with.
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« Reply #985 on: October 14, 2019, 22:56:41 »

I am surprised they have not considered a modern viaduct on uprights. The beach would still be there and any rockfalls would fall pass under to the beach. At high tide the sea would pass under the viaduct instead of having a new seawall to batter. The uprights could be angled to dissipate the power of the sea round them.
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« Reply #986 on: October 15, 2019, 09:18:00 »

I am surprised they have not considered a modern viaduct on uprights. The beach would still be there and any rockfalls would fall pass under to the beach. At high tide the sea would pass under the viaduct instead of having a new seawall to batter. The uprights could be angled to dissipate the power of the sea round them.

Perhaps they considered a viaduct, but ruled it out / it's not the selected option.  How open is the Network Rail system to finding out (and how much point would there be in doing so?)
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« Reply #987 on: October 15, 2019, 09:19:54 »

Indeed, they are the professionals, they will have considered it & chosen another option.

NR» (Network Rail - home page) have been holding open meetings along that part of the route to explain the work - you could have gone along and asked. I appreciate you may live a long way from these meetings, but there was a contact email address n the NR webpage announcing these meetings.
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« Reply #988 on: October 15, 2019, 21:48:24 »

Indeed, they are the professionals, they will have considered it & chosen another option.

NR» (Network Rail - home page) have been holding open meetings along that part of the route to explain the work - you could have gone along and asked. I appreciate you may live a long way from these meetings, but there was a contact email address n the NR webpage announcing these meetings.

Reminds me of episode 1 of The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy where Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz chastises the people of Earth for complaining against the demolition of their planet when they could have made the effort to view the plans at their local planning office on Alpha Centauri.  Grin Tongue
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« Reply #989 on: October 16, 2019, 09:35:10 »

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