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« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2021, 11:26:25 am »

If this is extended to the UK (United Kingdom) along the same principles, (motorways only), it will miss many of our key freight road haulage routes to and from ports which governments have failed to upgrade to motorway status for decades - the A12, A34 and A14 all immediately come to mind.
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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2021, 11:29:54 am »

If this is extended to the UK (United Kingdom) along the same principles, (motorways only), it will miss many of our key freight road haulage routes to and from ports which governments have failed to upgrade to motorway status for decades - the A12, A34 and A14 all immediately come to mind.

But even in Germany, where the autobahn network is denser than our motorways, the third trial is on a lesser road. So perhaps that's not a principle, more of a good place to start.
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« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2021, 12:28:29 pm »

I would prefer to see major ports served by electric railways.
Electrification of roads is more applicable to general freight traffic to/from numerous destinations, rather than intensive flows to ports.
A train carrying dozens of containers will use less energy than dozens of electric trucks, will need fewer staff, and take up less space.

Electric trucks are preferable to diesel on environmental grounds, but electric railways are better still due to reduced friction and greater capacity.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2021, 05:49:07 pm »

If this is extended to the UK (United Kingdom) along the same principles, (motorways only), it will miss many of our key freight road haulage routes to and from ports which governments have failed to upgrade to motorway status for decades - the A12, A34 and A14 all immediately come to mind.

I see no reason why A roads that have been widened to dual carriageway standards such as the A34 cannot be electrified, gaps could be left at any roundabouts.
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« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2021, 06:09:59 pm »

These systems don't need to be continuous,  because the vehicles would be equipped with batteries, and gaps would be expected even on motorways. So there is no particular reason why major A roads would not be equipped.
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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2021, 07:46:22 pm »

The A roads mentioned do not have motorway status but they do have near-motorway standards. In many countries they would be designated "express roads" or something similar.
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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2021, 07:59:02 pm »

The A roads mentioned do not have motorway status but they do have near-motorway standards. In many countries they would be designated "express roads" or something similar.

For trials, like those in Germany and now being studied here, who owns the road might matter in terms of negotiating to do it. But I can't see why the status of the road makes any difference at all in the long run, when there is a legal framework.
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