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« Reply #1785 on: November 14, 2021, 10:31:20 pm »

Western Power Distribution were called to refuel the generator - it was low, but hadn't run out. After refuelling the surge protector burnt out. WPD then wired in their own generator.
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« Reply #1786 on: November 14, 2021, 10:59:10 pm »

The generator was running but further fault finding discovered the surge protection unit had burnt out. This unit was then bypassed and another generator put in place to restore signalling.

XC 1V60 1920 Totnes to Plymouth departed at around 2230
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« Reply #1787 on: November 15, 2021, 12:35:51 pm »

Loss of signalling between Newton Abbot and Plymouth.

XC’s 1V60 which was booked to depart Totnes at 19:20 is still sat there as of 21:10

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Due to a fault with the signalling system between Plymouth and Newton Abbot all lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 22:00 14/11.

According to reports on GWR (Great Western Railway) Twitter (upon which I would not stake my life), passengers have been told that the necessary backup generator for the signals doesn't have any fuel.

Network Rail are apparently in attendance.

What a way to run a railroad!
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« Reply #1788 on: November 15, 2021, 12:43:38 pm »

Back up generators are tested fairly regularly I believe, but often seem to fail when needed the most!
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« Reply #1789 on: November 15, 2021, 12:44:27 pm »

Capped off a pretty bad day travelling by train in the Southwest.
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« Reply #1790 on: November 15, 2021, 12:53:46 pm »

Back up generators are tested fairly regularly I believe, but often seem to fail when needed the most!

My experience too. I think the problem is that routine use/rehearsal/testing does not involve full end-to-end operation, so does not answer the question "does it actually take over and supply power to all of my load when the public supply fails". The same problem affects computer back-ups - few have the nerve to delete their primary set of files and test that a restore operation really does put them all back. So the first time you need either for real, you find out it doesn't work. Embarrassing, that.
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« Reply #1791 on: November 15, 2021, 02:48:06 pm »

I used to maintain an office building with backup generators.
Inspected weekly for
Battery charger working.
Engine block heater working.
Coolant level in radiator.
Lubricant level correct.
Fuel in both the day tank on the engine and in the bulk tank.
Control switch set in "AUTO"
Also confirm by inspection that spare parts to hand, oil filter, air filters, fan belts, pilot lamps, control circuit fuses.

Monthly test. Does it start readily and run at the correct speed.

Six monthly, full load test powering the building as intended. This was done on a Saturday when the building load was less than normal, but to compensate for this extra load was added in the form of portable heaters.

Three yearly, full service by external specialist, replace starter batteries, belts and filters.

This generator NEVER failed to operate when called upon.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1792 on: November 15, 2021, 02:54:49 pm »

The same problem affects computer back-ups - few have the nerve to delete their primary set of files and test that a restore operation really does pout them all back. So the first time you need either for real, you find out it doesn't work. Embarrassing, that.

Indeed - we have never tried a 100% server restore here by deleting the main VM server - that would put us down for a few hours.  I HAVE set up a fresh VM and run it for test purposes, and had to do partial restores too. The "test purpose" mechanism was what we used last autumn to move our server, and we moved the backup system with it too.
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« Reply #1793 on: November 15, 2021, 06:44:23 pm »

Generally the gensets are well maintained, the fuel is scrubbed once a year, oil is either changed or a sample sent to a lab of analysis, there are 2 independent sets of batteries that are changed every 5 years, there are sump and block heaters.  They have an RCM system which is monitored by the Routes 'Flight Engineers' 24/7

The sets are run up regularly, black crash testing is done when Operations allow it.

It would be interesting to know where the genset was located, the provider of emergency gensets in the area I cover is Aggreko and they have a very short notice response time for gensets up to 200kW
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« Reply #1794 on: Yesterday at 07:44:33 am »

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On a different note, it's saddening to also note 'more trains than usual wanting repair'.
Many services having reduced carriages.
Surely they've had sufficient repair time!
Yes, they all require routine services, but there seems a constant stock shortage whilst units are taken off the road for routines.
And we're still seeing many reduced formations everywhere.  Surely GWR (Great Western Railway)/Treasury would be able to source temporary stock to enable them to get on top of repairs?
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« Reply #1795 on: Yesterday at 01:20:11 pm »

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On a different note, it's saddening to also note 'more trains than usual wanting repair'.
Many services having reduced carriages.
Surely they've had sufficient repair time!
Yes, they all require routine services, but there seems a constant stock shortage whilst units are taken off the road for routines.
And we're still seeing many reduced formations everywhere.  Surely GWR (Great Western Railway)/Treasury would be able to source temporary stock to enable them to get on top of repairs?

"more trains than usual needing repairs" is generally code for "significant numbers of IETs (Intercity Express Train) are withdrawn due to cracks" This looks likely to be long term, as no time scale has been published for repair or replacement. May get worse and not better as other units of the same design are cracked but allowed to remain in service subject to monitoring of the cracks, which may worsen.
Remember all the promises made about the greatly increased capacity to be provided by the IETs, not only on the routes so served but also elsewhere by freeing up other stock.

And of of course the 769 project has also been a failure, I suppose that they will eventually work to an extent.

I doubt that either the IETs or the 769s will EVER achieve the initially promised availability.
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A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1796 on: Yesterday at 08:53:23 pm »

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On a different note, it's saddening to also note 'more trains than usual wanting repair'.
Many services having reduced carriages.
Surely they've had sufficient repair time!
Yes, they all require routine services, but there seems a constant stock shortage whilst units are taken off the road for routines.
And we're still seeing many reduced formations everywhere.  Surely GWR (Great Western Railway)/Treasury would be able to source temporary stock to enable them to get on top of repairs?

Have number of class 800 sets 'mothballed' due to the still reduced timetable at the behest of the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) to cut the public spend?  If sets have been mothballed they would not be ready for immediate use
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« Reply #1797 on: Yesterday at 09:53:04 pm »

I thought that a significant number of IETs (Intercity Express Train) are withdrawn due to cracks, rather than being mothballed.
Hitachi SHOULD be paying compensation for the failure of THEIR trains, but I bet that there is some wiggle room and that a compromise has been reached, meaning no compensation is actually being paid.

Perhaps calling the stored/withdrawn units "mothballed at customer request due to the covid mode timetable" sounds better and lets Hitachi off the hook. Any cracks that MIGHT be present on SOME of the units being purely coincidental of course.

Un mothballing might turn out to be harder and more complex than expected, thereby letting Hitachi of the hook for a bit longer.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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