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« Reply #2775 on: May 31, 2018, 19:15:20 »

I note from at least one of the updates that no alternative road transport will be provided - what are people to do?

Supposed to be rail replacement buses through Swindon after 8.15 tonight due to planned engineering work.
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« Reply #2776 on: May 31, 2018, 22:10:50 »

Pictures of flooding in the station at Didcot Parkway this evening: https://twitter.com/wilselwood/status/1002291682740760576
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« Reply #2777 on: May 31, 2018, 23:18:26 »

In Didcot there was around two hours of almost continuous heavy to torrential rain from around 7:30, on top of shorter heavy bursts in the previous two hours. My satellite reception was completely knocked out for the worst parts.

A picture seen elsewhere of the passage to the platforms:

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« Reply #2778 on: June 01, 2018, 07:18:51 »

Maybe unsurprisingly considering the above, the lifts are not working this morning at Didcot. Reported that the peak flood was around a foot high.
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« Reply #2779 on: June 01, 2018, 07:44:46 »

Is this related to the weather / flooding?

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Worcester Shrub Hill trains have to run at reduced speed.
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Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 01/06.
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« Reply #2780 on: June 01, 2018, 08:03:53 »

Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds certainly was hit by torrential rain and flash floods, above pictures prove it. However, the Met Office amber warning was for too wide an area with many places to the south of the area of storm activity seeing little to no rain. This led to Network Rail imposing speed restrictions over a wide area of the Western region causing delays and cancellations for many for something that didn’t happen.

I know I’m going to cop flack for what I’ve written by at least one individual on this forum but that was poor forecasting that caused delays and inconvenience to many. What happened at Didcot would have been covered under a yellow warning, flash flooding in a small area. If then, like what happened in the Midlands on Sunday, the storms start to gang up and sit in a concentrated area, then issue an Amber warning for the area where the intense activity is taking place and where it’s heading towards.

Warnings are good, but if you keep issuing them and little to nothing happens then they start to be ignored. For the past six days I’ve been under yellow and amber warnings only to witness a bit of heavy rain overnight.

And as for the media hyperbole everytime the Met issue a yellow warning... don’t get me started.
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« Reply #2781 on: June 01, 2018, 09:38:12 »

I must admit to being surprised by the extent of the amber warning, especially the wording - I thought SW England was Devon and Cornwall, with most of the amber warning map showing up the West Country. I believe the main point of severe weather warnings though is to alert people to the risk, hence 'be prepared', rather than carry on with your day with no idea of the potential for bad weather.  Who does National Rail take their day to day forecast from anyway, public warnings come from the Met Office, but there are many firms out there selling forecasts to companies?
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« Reply #2782 on: June 01, 2018, 09:53:44 »

Was there two hours before and started raining at around 17:05
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« Reply #2783 on: June 01, 2018, 10:07:48 »

I must admit to being surprised by the extent of the amber warning, especially the wording - I thought SW England was Devon and Cornwall, with most of the amber warning map showing up the West Country. I believe the main point of severe weather warnings though is to alert people to the risk, hence 'be prepared', rather than carry on with your day with no idea of the potential for bad weather.  Who does National Rail take their day to day forecast from anyway, public warnings come from the Met Office, but there are many firms out there selling forecasts to companies?

They do not take their day to day forecast from public warnings. They receive tailored forecasts from the Met Office. The public warnings we see are based on the warnings issued to individual local authorities and other public utilities including Environment Agency, Natural Resources Wales, Highways England, Network Rail, water companies, electricity distribution companies etc.  These bodies have in addition personal contacts so that they can talk directly to a forecaster familiar with their area.  The Environment Agency have some control rooms with permanent Met Office staff in place to work with hydrologists to produce flood forecasts.  

Unfortunately the type of rainfall we are experiencing at the moment is extremely difficult to forecast.  If you read the reports of flooding you will hear often of severe flooding in one place and only drizzle in another place nearby.  

The Boscastle flooding of 2004 was not forecast for this reason.  Now computer technology has made it possible to forecast the likelihood better but not the location with the same accuracy - hence the blanket warning.

The warnings are used by the authorities to do what it says - be prepared - so Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales flood management control rooms were staffed up, local authorities put staff on stand-by to deal with any consequences.  All sorts of actions were going on in the background.

And there was flooding in the Orange area and local authorities and the Environment Agency took action where it occurred to deal with the consequences. There was flooding in Gloucester, Oxford, in Herefordshire and at Didcot Station. The Environment Agency monitored river levels through the night and issued flood warnings (as I write there is still one in force for the Lambourn Valley in Berkshire).

All these behind the scenes actions took place because the warnings were issued.  

Contrast the 1953 coastal flooding where 300 people were killed who could have been saved by appropriate warnings (as the floods moved down the coast quite slowly from north to South), but there was no system for warning anyone else and no one was monitoring the flooding nationally to see the pattern and make a forecast.

Whether Network Rail should have put a blanket speed restriction on - I am not able to judge.  But there are more to these warnings than we, the public see.
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« Reply #2784 on: June 01, 2018, 17:57:22 »

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.
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Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:30 01/06.
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« Reply #2785 on: June 01, 2018, 19:40:27 »

Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Bourne End
Due to a broken down train between Maidenhead and Bourne End the line is blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 21:00 01/06.
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« Reply #2786 on: June 07, 2018, 19:35:06 »

Following a fault with the signalling system at Oxford some lines will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 20:00 07/06.
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Train services between Oxford and Reading may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised.
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« Reply #2787 on: June 08, 2018, 07:27:42 »

A fault with the signalling system near Swindon is causing disruption to trains through this station.

As a result, services may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

Disruption is expected to continue until 09:30.
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« Reply #2788 on: June 20, 2018, 08:47:52 »

Delays to services between Twyford and Maidenhead
Due to a broken down train between Twyford and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:45 20/06.
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« Reply #2789 on: June 20, 2018, 18:43:25 »

Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

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Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 20/06.
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