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Author Topic: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014  (Read 631184 times)
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« Reply #2865 on: August 19, 2018, 11:04:12 am »

What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?

They climb over the gate, listen, look both ways and if the lines clear cross, climb over the other gate, no problem.
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« Reply #2866 on: August 19, 2018, 03:31:32 pm »

What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?

They climb over the gate, listen, look both ways and if the lines clear cross, climb over the other gate, no problem.

I think if you tried that and were caught doing it, you might end up in court for committing tresspass.....

.....as well as endangering your own life (and possibly others).....
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« Reply #2867 on: August 19, 2018, 04:20:25 pm »

So, Network Rail are free to block public rights of way because of their own failing?
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« Reply #2868 on: August 19, 2018, 07:20:29 pm »

Yes.

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Public Highways : The Railway obtained priority of way over the public highway and was required to provide gates to fence off the Railway line. The gates were required to close off the roadway and were to be opened to allow road users to pass over the Railway. Subsequently the Railway reversed the arrangement so that the gates were normally across the Railway for obvious reasons. The Railway does maintain the right however to close the road off as it sees fit - i.e. in the event of a failure, however these days this is done co-operatively with the local Highways Authority. In a short notice case such as a failure the Police will be called to close off the road.

Private Roads : These are roads which do not form part of the public highway and are maintained at the owners expense. Typically these give access to a landowner's house. The Railway retains priority of way and the crossing must be adequately fenced and gated.
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« Reply #2869 on: August 20, 2018, 05:11:05 pm »

Do they lock them out of use?  I thought they just continue to run trains at caution. 
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« Reply #2870 on: August 20, 2018, 05:58:38 pm »

If they are locked out of use, blocking the legal use of a public footpath, I presume Network Rail have applied for the necessary 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. These are required even if closures are temporary.

Network Rail can't arbitrarily block a public right of way without due process. In an emergency maybe, but not when a phone system (which at many foot crossings it is not mandatory for pedestrians to use) is faulty.

Despite this, Network Rail do act arbitrarily. And on more than one occasion have had to be told by the relevant highway authority to reopen arbitrarily closed crossings.
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« Reply #2871 on: August 20, 2018, 06:06:15 pm »

If they are locked out of use, blocking the legal use of a public footpath, I presume Network Rail have applied for the necessary 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. These are required even if closures are temporary.

Network Rail can't arbitrarily block a public right of way without due process. In an emergency maybe, but not when a phone system (which at many foot crossings it is not mandatory for pedestrians to use) is faulty.

Despite this, Network Rail do act arbitrarily. And on more than one occasion have had to be told by the relevant highway authority to reopen arbitrarily closed crossings.

BNM.  My post was in reference to failures, not pre-planned works, where as you correctly say a formal 'Road Closure' notice has to be approved by the highway authority in advance of the closure.  Done many of those, and the emergency ones, in my 50 year long (perhaps too long) S&T Career.......
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« Reply #2872 on: August 26, 2018, 09:56:26 am »

Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 12:00 26/08.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.
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« Reply #2873 on: August 26, 2018, 11:45:15 am »

Situation deteriorating;

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 14:30 26/08.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington. Langley and West Drayton will not be served.
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London-bound trains are currently not serving Langley or West Drayton.

Customers travelling to Langley or West Drayton are advised to change at Hayes and Harlington and double back.

Customers wishing to travel from Langley or West Drayton should travel via Slough.
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« Reply #2874 on: August 26, 2018, 11:55:08 am »

Situation deteriorating;

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 14:30 26/08.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington. Langley and West Drayton will not be served.
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London-bound trains are currently not serving Langley or West Drayton.

Customers travelling to Langley or West Drayton are advised to change at Hayes and Harlington and double back.

Customers wishing to travel from Langley or West Drayton should travel via Slough.

A GWR driver reported a rough riding over a set of points in the Langley area.  Trains were initially cautioned.  Following an inspection by NR engineers an emergency 5mph speed restriction was imposed over the points. 
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« Reply #2875 on: August 26, 2018, 12:23:00 pm »

Cyclic top reported with the rail head observed moving vertically by 17mm with a train over it at 5mph.

I imagine that movement would have be considerably more at linespeed.
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« Reply #2876 on: August 26, 2018, 01:59:33 pm »

I got to Paddington just after 13:00. Train shed empty apart from HEX services. Lots of cancellations on the board. I'm on a very busy HST forming the 13:34 to Worcester Foregate Street. Out of Paddington 15 late - which is actually a lot better than I'd expected.
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« Reply #2877 on: August 26, 2018, 03:26:44 pm »

Defect was on the Up Relief. The Mains were closed for engineering work.  Fortunately it was possible to stop the work early to allow them to reopen and enable the Relief to be closed for repair.
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« Reply #2878 on: August 29, 2018, 04:31:46 pm »

Following a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines towards Didcot Parkway have now reopened. Disruption is expected until 17:30 29/08.
Impact: Train services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 25 minutes.

Due to a fire on a train at Pangbourne some lines towards Didcot Parkway are blocked. Disruption is expected until 18:30 29/08.
Impact: Train services between Reading and Didcot Parkway may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.
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« Reply #2879 on: August 29, 2018, 04:34:53 pm »

Didcot signals have only failed 10 times this year, nothing much.
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