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Author Topic: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014  (Read 793537 times)
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« Reply #3435 on: November 08, 2019, 05:17:26 pm »

Still going............


Cancellations to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway


Due to a broken down train between Reading and Didcot Parkway some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 19:00 08/11.
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« Reply #3436 on: November 08, 2019, 05:27:25 pm »

The freight train is still stuck there.  Obviously there's a lot more caution involved when the cargo is in any way hazardous.  Looks like it'll be moving (slowly) to Didcot Yard shortly.
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« Reply #3437 on: November 08, 2019, 05:50:33 pm »

Caution of course, but 4 HOURS???  Was there a problem eg with the running gear that needed a part or person from far away?
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« Reply #3438 on: November 08, 2019, 06:00:24 pm »

Caution of course, but 4 HOURS???  Was there a problem eg with the running gear that needed a part or person from far away?

Yes, on one vehicle brakes were stuck on and have caused serious damage to the wheelsets.

Now on the move and approaching Didcot, so the Down Relief line should be open shortly.
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« Reply #3439 on: November 08, 2019, 07:56:38 pm »

Ahh I wondered why this didn't move at all when I was walking past. It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.
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« Reply #3440 on: November 09, 2019, 12:16:10 am »

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It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

When I saw these posts while "lurking" on my smartphone leaving Guildford after an after hours strategic meeting with a senior colleague I thought I had been fortunate in missing the aftermath of this. Sadly, the train I was aiming for (the 20-22 ex Reading, immediately preceding one of those annoying 35 minute gaps in the stopping service timetable) was cancelled, so there was an unwanted 50 minute wait at Reading, with not even a pretty sunset by way of compensation!
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« Reply #3441 on: November 09, 2019, 01:27:59 pm »

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It was a DB class 60 pulling tankers sat in the green gap between the edge of Reading and Pangbourne.

The green gap aka Purley on Thames!

I’ve always ignored Reading’s daft political boundaries. It was spanning the green gap from the end of purley to the beginning of pangbourne.
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« Reply #3442 on: November 09, 2019, 01:44:33 pm »

When I saw these posts while "lurking" on my smartphone leaving Guildford after an after hours strategic meeting with a senior colleague I thought I had been fortunate in missing the aftermath of this. Sadly, the train I was aiming for (the 20-22 ex Reading, immediately preceding one of those annoying 35 minute gaps in the stopping service timetable) was cancelled, so there was an unwanted 50 minute wait at Reading, with not even a pretty sunset by way of compensation!

It's not clear whether that cancellation (of the earlier inbound service) was related to the line closure or not. The line was cleared at about 18:30, so "an issue with the train crew" might or might not be knock-on. When I passed though at about 16:00 I saw the "all lines are closed" warnings and was surprised to find no trains showing as cancelled or more than a few minutes late - at least, not in the next 20 minutes or so.
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« Reply #3443 on: November 10, 2019, 08:48:05 am »

"Reading’s daft political boundaries" aren't entirely Reading's fault. Thanks to the boundary commission we now have four Tilehurst wards, three in W Berks & one in Reading. Recipe for confusion?
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« Reply #3444 on: November 10, 2019, 09:00:39 am »

To say nothing of the boundary passing through the middle of the site for Green Park Station which has added to the problems getting that built.
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« Reply #3445 on: November 10, 2019, 09:30:14 am »

"Reading’s daft political boundaries" aren't entirely Reading's fault. Thanks to the boundary commission we now have four Tilehurst wards, three in W Berks & one in Reading. Recipe for confusion?

I think it was the Local Government Boundary Commission for England that defined and named the wards. The Boundary Commission only does parliamenttary constituencies, which have for some time been put together from bits of places to balance numbers. Of course the main source of "Reading’s daft political boundaries" was the LGBCE's precursor, the Local Government Commission for England, insisting the unitaries too should be of equal weight despite Reading obviously being bigger than that.
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« Reply #3446 on: November 10, 2019, 11:01:25 am »

Another example of strange local boundaries is at Earley station - the forecourt and car park are in Earley but the station itself is in Woodley!
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« Reply #3447 on: November 10, 2019, 11:41:24 am »

Another example of strange local boundaries is at Earley station - the forecourt and car park are in Earley but the station itself is in Woodley!

At least that's only a parish boundary - I don't think they do anything important that affects railways, do they? The Reading/Wokingham division is more important, since it means things can't happen without some degree of collaboration or at least agreement. We saw that can go very wrong with the bus expressway thingy Reading wanted beside the Thames. But then the idea that you can do transport planning at such a low level is ... subunanimous.

More generally, putting the boundary inside greater Reading creates a lot of areas where both councils are involved. The Green Park one is particularly silly, as that bit of Wokingham is a detached fragment created by a previous boundary change. The boundary also divides Green (business) Park and Tesco's warehouse (ex-Bright Beer Factory), and the university's Whiteknights campus. The LGCE (Banham Commossion) had some fixed objectives for dismembering counties, one of which was to minimise joint working, and concluded that a population of 200,000 was enough to do everything (which it isn't, really). Newbury and Wokingham were too  small so had bits of Reading transferred to them. But, as we've seen, that boundary does not even minimise the need for joint working.
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« Reply #3448 on: November 10, 2019, 12:26:57 pm »

Hows this for parish boundaries.

I can go to my local precinct on a Sinday morning and go to church at 10.30 for the morning service in one parish, leave church and walk across the precinct to the newsagents in a second parish to buy my Sunday paper, then make for the pub to read said Sunday rag with my Sunday lunchtime pint in a third parish and then if inquisative enough can leave the pub after my Sunday lunchtime pint to seek out the stub left by Ordnance Survey which marks the meeting point of all three parishes.
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« Reply #3449 on: November 10, 2019, 01:16:01 pm »

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Newbury and Wokingham were too  small so had bits of Reading transferred to them. But, as we've seen, that boundary does not even minimise the need for joint working.

I don't think that is the reason Stuving. Reading is a classic example of an underbounded settlement, which has outgrown its original borough boundaries, and where the many (in my view) badly thought out, politically manipulated local government boundary changes have not addressed the issue. The current boundaries represent old parish boundaries going back centuries, the boundaries for counties, boroughs, urban and rural district councils set up under the 1888 and 1894 local government legislation.

Those rural and urban districts adjacent to larger boroughs (Bradfield RDC, Henley RDC, Wokingham UDC in the case of Reading) ended up providing/hosting much of the post-war suburban development. An attempt was made to put a more sensible regional structure to local government, but it ran into a lot of local opposition, so we were left after the implementation of the 1972 Local Government Act with many of the anomalies referred to in this thread left outstanding, or at least anomalous partial addressing of them. They are still endless - Newmarket in Suffolk is almost impossible to get into without driving through Cambridgeshire, you lose count of the number of time you pass back and forth between Bucks, Herts and Beds if you drive up the Icknield Way (B4009/B489) from Princes Risborough to Dunstable, and so on.

The only changes made to Reading's borough boundary are where suburban Caversham and Mapledurham have encroached into Oxfordshire, and those built up areas have transferred into Reading. But influential folk in Oxfordshire lobbied against the eminently sensible move of the RG postcode areas of Oxfordshire moving to Berkshire, so it didn't happen, so those gravel pits converted into a marina you see on the other side of the Thames as you leave on a train towards Paddington, which you cannot access by road except from the borough, are in Oxon - county authority base in Oxford, second tier authority in Abingdon.


The more recent local government changes, and the haphazard spread of unitary authorities has been (in my view) and badly thought out botched result of political pressure on the Boundary Commission. How else can you justify all of Wiltshire being in one unitary authority but it's largest settlement, Swindon, isolated in the middle as a separate authority. It all makes cross-boundary working difficult. It does though suit the Labour Party - underbounded towns and cities means there are still local authorities they have a hope of keeping under their control in southern Britain, while the Conservative and Lib Dems benefit from suburban and rural second-tier or unitary authorities where Labour voters have largely vanished since the 1960s.     

For sensible planning, we need to tear up all this, and start again based on travel to work/communications networks - already reflected in the postcode district system.
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