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Author Topic: Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption elsewhere - ongoing, since Oct 2014  (Read 1254589 times)
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« Reply #4290 on: December 08, 2023, 06:45:27 »

Disruption to continue all morning


I wonder if this latest chaotic incident will be enough to finally catalyse action on the infrastructure between Reading and Paddington which seems utterly decrepit & unfit for purpose based on months of regular failures, before one leads to a tragedy.

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) News - Passengers stuck for hours on Elizabeth Line after cables damaged
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« Reply #4291 on: December 08, 2023, 06:55:59 »

Sorry, but, ooooooozzzz gonnna pay for it!
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« Reply #4292 on: December 08, 2023, 07:03:24 »

Possible addition to the daily woes. Major water main burst on Bath Road in Reading, between Castle Hill and Southcote roundabout. Flooding beyond the railway bridge so don't know if it will be affecting the line between Reading West and Southcote junction. This is likely to be one of the two major pipes that feed Reading from the west, so they wont fix this quickly, don't know if we are going to end up on bottled water. It has made it onto AA Roadwatch but not One.network.
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« Reply #4293 on: December 08, 2023, 07:08:36 »

Sorry, but, ooooooozzzz gonnna pay for it!

Passengers obviously claim from their train operator; as for which of the rail companies pockets settles with the other companies it gets complex.  

There is a process of investigations, the *Pancam recordings and Pantograph sensor data will be submitted from the trains operating in the area to the investigation panel, the panel is made up of representatives from NR» (Network Rail - home page),TOC (Train Operating Company)'s etc.  The process is not quick.

* Pancam, there is a camera mounted in the pantograph well on all modern trains which constantly records footage of the pan head,  you may have noticed the OLE (Overhead Line Equipment, more often "OHLE") being illuminated where the pan is.   The recordings are made available to NR for us as part of maintenance inspections
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« Reply #4294 on: December 08, 2023, 07:29:30 »

'Another passenger described how fellow passengers were being let off their train "one by one to urinate".'

Were I still travelling to London, being stuck on a train and needing to urinate would be one of my fears, especially at my age! In the 2010s after an early evening out, I would make a point of weeing before I boarded a train at Liverpool Street and sometimes was "relieved" to get to Paddington and its facilities.

As an outdoor type, doing long walks and environmental tasks, I'm used to improvising, and a boarding-school education (no doors on toilet cubicles!) has left me less inhibited than many, but even so I would feel a little self-conscious in the situation described in the article. Who among the passengers would be the first to declare a "pressing need"? With there being no toilets on Elizabeth trains, staff training presumably includes the need to be aware of passengers' discomfort.
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« Reply #4295 on: December 08, 2023, 07:51:15 »

'Another passenger described how fellow passengers were being let off their train "one by one to urinate".'

Were I still travelling to London, being stuck on a train and needing to urinate would be one of my fears, especially at my age! In the 2010s after an early evening out, I would make a point of weeing before I boarded a train at Liverpool Street and sometimes was "relieved" to get to Paddington and its facilities.

As an outdoor type, doing long walks and environmental tasks, I'm used to improvising, and a boarding-school education (no doors on toilet cubicles!) has left me less inhibited than many, but even so I would feel a little self-conscious in the situation described in the article. Who among the passengers would be the first to declare a "pressing need"? With there being no toilets on Elizabeth trains, staff training presumably includes the need to be aware of passengers' discomfort.
This was the concern raised about these trains…no toilets!
Yesterday we learned of a man taking a wee in a lay-by being fined for littering:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67615231
Hello??? We’re humans and we all at some point need to pee! Sometimes the call of nature cannot wait. And if there isn’t a facility in which to do it, eventually improvisation is going to have to happen.

I feel for all those who were stuck on trains last night and don’t blame those after four hours decided enough was enough and self evacuated. Another shameful night on our railways.
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« Reply #4296 on: December 08, 2023, 08:27:56 »

Bad news for someone is good news for another.
Freight trains running without having to be stopped/diverted, etc!
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« Reply #4297 on: December 08, 2023, 13:04:29 »

The whole incident last night demonstrates why the railway needs to be properly staffed, and the need for a guard to be on every train. You’re putting one staff member in charge of potentially 1000 passengers welfare and safety whilst also looking after the train itself.
One lone driver will not be able to safely evacuate a train on their own and considering there were around 10 stranded trains it takes a lot of resource to evacuate them, and it’s not a swift process.. You also have the added complication of 25kV of overhead cables on the ground, that’s enough to give more than a tickle if you were to come into contact with it.
At the end of the day, with limited resources, you have to make a choice. Focus on freeing the damaged train so you can get things moving which enables train to train evacuations or simply go straight to evacuating everyone to ballast which is a very long and resource intensive process with substantially more risk.

Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!
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« Reply #4298 on: December 08, 2023, 13:44:35 »

Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!

Hear! Hear!

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« Reply #4299 on: December 08, 2023, 16:50:14 »



Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!

A radical suggestion perhaps, but worth a go!  Smiley
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« Reply #4300 on: December 08, 2023, 21:52:55 »

Why would you do that when no one travels by train?
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« Reply #4301 on: December 08, 2023, 22:06:17 »


Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!
Assuming in this instance the fixed infrastructure was at fault!

Perhaps the other side of the coin is ............. ensure the rolling stock is maintained correctly
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« Reply #4302 on: December 09, 2023, 01:02:12 »

Some folk were lucky. They had the beautiful Rachel Riley for company.

Others less so. They had James Blunt. Fortunately he didn't have his guitar with him.
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« Reply #4303 on: December 09, 2023, 03:50:35 »

Some folk were lucky. They had the beautiful Rachel Riley for company.

Others less so. They had James Blunt. Fortunately he didn't have his guitar with him.

That would give potential for an A Cappella performance, to some that may be even worse.
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« Reply #4304 on: December 09, 2023, 07:21:03 »


Obviously there is a simpler alternative. Maintain the infrastructure!
Assuming in this instance the fixed infrastructure was at fault!

Perhaps the other side of the coin is ............. ensure the rolling stock is maintained correctly

It would need a three sided coin in this case.
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