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« Reply #375 on: September 12, 2016, 20:56:45 » |
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GWR▸ have recently purchased a couple of additional 57s. Presumably to do 387 drags.
Don't think I'm being pedantic, but GWR haven't bought two additional 57s. They have leased 2 from Porterbrook. |
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« Reply #376 on: September 12, 2016, 21:15:47 » |
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I'm guessing you are referring to the 19:15 then II? as the 17:18/18:48 services aren't suppose to connect, if that is the case then yes, it really should wait, especially as it then has a 30 minute wait at West Ealing on its next trip back.
The 17:18 is due to call at 17:30, and the Greenford shuttle due to leave also at 17:30. No, they are not designed to connect - they seem set up to provocatively fail to connect and leave people frustrated. Edit to add ... same thing at 19:00 off the 18:48 ... |
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« Reply #377 on: September 12, 2016, 22:38:42 » |
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If they can catch the 1915 to catch it, then there isn't really a problem?
It wont be shown anywhere that the 1918 is a connected service either
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« Reply #378 on: September 12, 2016, 22:51:11 » |
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Took my first trip today. Very impressed with the trains, the best Class 377/387 interior in my opinion.
However I was very unimpressed to see several people left behind at West Ealing when the Greenford shuttle left on time despite people visibly running down the platform to try and connect with it having alighted from a slightly delayed Hayes service. A 5 minute connection hold policy should be enforced as the goodwill of commuters from the Greenford branch needs to be maintained as they have ended up worse off as a result of these changes.
A look at the timetable, none of the 387 services are recognised connections onto the branch service. All are under the 5 minute minimum connection time. Maybe something for the planners as the branch train has so much slack. |
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« Reply #379 on: September 12, 2016, 23:01:52 » |
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It was the 1915 out of Paddington, arriving West Ealing at 1927 connecting into the 1930 to Greenford. An advertised connection in that it appears as a journey in the journey planners. It arrived one minute late tonight and the connection departed on time two minutes later - which wasn't enough time to for several passengers. It's quite a long way to walk, so the connection should be either made longer, not advertised, or the train should have waited another minute.
Same goes with all the other services that now require a change at West Ealing, those being the 1715, 1844, and 2013 from Paddington.
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« Reply #380 on: September 12, 2016, 23:17:06 » |
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I guess the problem is that these 387s are running in the paths that were Greenford services, and at the same regular 30 minute intervals. The Greenford branch is 12 minutes each way, so there isn't much scope for shifting even a couple of minutes either way just for one train - it's 30 minutes round trip with no hanging about at all.
When the through trains to Greenford stop, the branch timing can be offset from the main line trains (Crossrail or some later interim operation). Crossrail is planned as 4 per hour, though probably not regular and the time offset of up and down trains at West Ealing is anyone's guess. But with a bit of normal timetabler's inventiveness it should be possible to get more sensible connection times by then.
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« Reply #381 on: September 12, 2016, 23:23:37 » |
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Was one suggestion to increase the Grennford branch Service to 4tph
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« Reply #382 on: September 12, 2016, 23:32:00 » |
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Was one suggestion to increase the Grennford branch Service to 4tph
It has been suggested but there's no evidence of it happening in the published franchise specifications. |
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« Reply #383 on: September 12, 2016, 23:33:49 » |
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I guess the problem is that these 387s are running in the paths that were Greenford services, and at the same regular 30 minute intervals. The Greenford branch is 12 minutes each way, so there isn't much scope for shifting even a couple of minutes either way just for one train - it's 30 minutes round trip with no hanging about at all.
When the through trains to Greenford stop, the branch timing can be offset from the main line trains (Crossrail or some later interim operation). Crossrail is planned as 4 per hour, though probably not regular and the time offset of up and down trains at West Ealing is anyone's guess. But with a bit of normal timetabler's inventiveness it should be possible to get more sensible connection times by then.
A couple of minutes is unlikely to cause a problem. If the return working from Greenford is delayed then even if it misses the connection for the train back to London (which is unlikely given the small amount of extra time we're talking about and the simple cross platform change the other way), then that's not so bad as there's another train only 15 minutes later. Leaving people stuck for 30 minutes for the sake of a few seconds, when they used to have a through train is simply unacceptable. |
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« Reply #384 on: September 13, 2016, 06:48:25 » |
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Leaving people stuck for 30 minutes for the sake of a few seconds, when they used to have a through train is simply unacceptable.
Indeed. I can see the operational reasons - but the appearance is a slap in the face to through passengers to the Greenford line. |
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« Reply #385 on: September 13, 2016, 09:10:56 » |
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Indeed - the easiest solution is to increase the station change time from 3 mins to 5mins & that connection would no longer be in the planners.
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« Reply #386 on: September 13, 2016, 09:42:16 » |
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That would indeed be the easiest (but least customer friendly) option. Is a new footbridge and lifts to be provided further along the platform at West Ealing to make the transfer easier in future? This will be an all-day issue shortly, not just a couple of trains a day.
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« Reply #387 on: September 13, 2016, 09:46:26 » |
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Once that happens, easier to slide the round-trip timings by a couple of minutes. But can't do that until all services are self-contained within the branch
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« Reply #388 on: September 13, 2016, 10:12:11 » |
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That would indeed be the easiest (but least customer friendly) option. Is a new footbridge and lifts to be provided further along the platform at West Ealing to make the transfer easier in future? This will be an all-day issue shortly, not just a couple of trains a day.
I believe the station building is resited alongside the new bay, and step free access provided as Crossrail work. There are hoardings on the down relief platform suggesting something happening with the footbridge. Crossrail description here: http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/western-section/west-ealing-stationPaul |
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« Reply #389 on: September 13, 2016, 10:17:58 » |
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Indeed - the easiest solution is to increase the station change time from 3 mins to 5mins & that connection would no longer be in the planners.
That would be really pointless as the 17:15 & 18:45 from Paddington only call at West Ealing in order to make the Greenford connections. 3 minute advertised connection times work at Twyford & Maidenhead no problem. |
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