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« Reply #600 on: September 05, 2017, 11:56:52 PM »

I very much doubt anything was 'sitting around doing nothing' - try and find anything sat in sidings looking bored during the morning peak tomorrow if you like?   Major exams and depot familiarisation could mostly account for the nine or so units unaccounted for in today's allocations, and it just takes an unexpected fault or a visit from a graffiti artist to tip the balance quite quickly.  Usually around 95% availability is the best you could wish for from any fleet, so today's 47 or so from 56 or so isn't too far shy of that given the current circumstances of a fleet split between two areas.
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« Reply #601 on: September 06, 2017, 09:48:54 AM »

Whilst obviously operating within the constraints of stock availability, that stock should be deployed effectively; one day last month there were at least two 2-car 165s travelling on the North Downs Line heavily loaded (probably on Reading-Redhill stoppers), yet a near empty (3-car) 166 on the Reading-Basingstoke shuttle. Granted, that was in the middle of the day so maybe the peak loadings on the Basingstokes justifies it.
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« Reply #602 on: September 06, 2017, 08:34:14 PM »

Whilst obviously operating within the constraints of stock availability, that stock should be deployed effectively; one day last month there were at least two 2-car 165s travelling on the North Downs Line heavily loaded (probably on Reading-Redhill stoppers), yet a near empty (3-car) 166 on the Reading-Basingstoke shuttle. Granted, that was in the middle of the day so maybe the peak loadings on the Basingstokes justifies it.

To get the units in the right slot for maintenance etc the diagraming of them my seem a bit skewed, also its not always easy to reallocate a failed 3 car unit with another 3 car given that some allocations are set to a max of 2 cars like the Marlow line and Greenford.

The team that manage the TV unit allocation on a daily bases general do an excellent job give the scale of the service they run against the allocated units
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« Reply #603 on: September 15, 2017, 04:18:15 PM »

Not many Class 387s today...From Journeycheck

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Maidenhead
Due to a shortage of train crew between London Paddington and Maidenhead fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 19:30 15/09.
Last Updated:15/09/2017 15:09

Train Cancellations
16:02 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 16:49
16:09 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 16:42
16:42 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 17:13
16:58 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 17:44
17:05 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 17:46
17:14 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:05
17:18 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington due 17:40
17:42 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:13
17:48 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington due 18:10
17:57 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:43
18:07 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 18:43
18:10 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:48
18:18 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 18:59
18:42 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 19:14
18:57 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 19:44
19:12 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 19:53
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« Reply #604 on: September 15, 2017, 06:06:48 PM »

The 17:14 from Paddington was reinstated.  As is the 18:07 Maidenhead to Paddington.
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« Reply #605 on: September 15, 2017, 06:14:50 PM »

Not many Class 387s today...From Journeycheck

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Maidenhead
Due to a shortage of train crew between London Paddington and Maidenhead fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 19:30 15/09.
Last Updated:15/09/2017 15:09

Train Cancellations
16:02 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 16:49
16:09 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 16:42
16:42 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 17:13
16:58 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 17:44
17:05 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 17:46
17:14 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:05
17:18 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington due 17:40
17:42 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:13
17:48 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington due 18:10
17:57 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:43
18:07 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 18:43
18:10 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 18:48
18:18 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 18:59
18:42 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 19:14
18:57 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 19:44
19:12 London Paddington to Maidenhead due 19:53

Utter shambles......GWR is spiralling downwards more rapidly every day.....how on Earth can this be allowed to happen? Is there anyone with any management ability whatsoever?
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« Reply #606 on: September 16, 2017, 09:22:30 AM »

Be interesting to see what happens today,

According to Realtime Trains as far as Taplow is concerned the whole service from now on is rostered for 100mph EMUs!

I may be doing a trip to Swindon to get the Foxhall curve so might be catching the 12:35 from Taplow.
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« Reply #607 on: September 16, 2017, 09:31:48 AM »

Be interesting to see what happens today,

According to Realtime Trains as far as Taplow is concerned the whole service from now on is rostered for 100mph EMUs!

Probably saved staff shifts yesterday evening so they can run these today?
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« Reply #608 on: September 16, 2017, 09:39:34 AM »

Be interesting to see what happens today,

According to Realtime Trains as far as Taplow is concerned the whole service from now on is rostered for 100mph EMUs!

Probably saved staff shifts yesterday evening so they can run these today?


Sacrifice peak services on a Friday for daytime services on a Saturday? Well you chaps are probably far more in the know than me.

But if that was the case, why not advertise it in advance so that people can make plans, and/or why have GWR allowed the situation to deteriorate so much to the point where this type of robbing Peter to pay Paul is necessary?
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« Reply #609 on: September 16, 2017, 10:15:18 AM »

Sacrifice peak services on a Friday for daytime services on a Saturday? Well you chaps are probably far more in the know than me.

That would be contrary to our TransWilts experience, where yet again services have been abandoned for half a day today.  However, if Reading depot is locked out of use today and there are only electric trains (plus Marlow and Greenford branch diesels) available in London, it would be very brave of GWR to turn off the entire main line service to the PM's constituency.  Now if Michelle Donelan was p.m. ...

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But if that was the case, why not advertise it in advance so that people can make plans, and/or why have GWR allowed the situation to deteriorate so much to the point where this type of robbing Peter to pay Paul is necessary?

There's a human psyche that says "it will be magically sorted out" and a desire not to be the one to break bad news ... with the result that bad news gets broken very late in the day. General thing, not limited to GWR - I have been kept hanging around with hundreds of other people at an airport from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. while they tried to fix a plane, then bussed to a hotel and back again at 6 a.m. (about 4 hours sleep!) when I suspect the issue was close to being a no-hope from the start until a spare part was flown transatlantic!
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« Reply #610 on: September 16, 2017, 10:43:10 AM »

There's a human psyche that says "it will be magically sorted out" and a desire not to be the one to break bad news ... with the result that bad news gets broken very late in the day. General thing, not limited to GWR - I have been kept hanging around with hundreds of other people at an airport from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. while they tried to fix a plane, then bussed to a hotel and back again at 6 a.m. (about 4 hours sleep!) when I suspect the issue was close to being a no-hope from the start until a spare part was flown transatlantic!

How true. I came across the same mindset in several bosses, and it led to arguments. The usual scenario was how to report project progress to higher management or customers: do you cover the bad news in full first to leave them with the good news, or do the good news first for its headline impact. I was always for "good news last", but didn't often get may way.

That applies within one period's report (month, quarter etc.); the effect is greater if you can defer reporting the bad news until next period. Very popular, that. There must be a link with whether you are an optimist, especially a Micawberite one who expects the bad news to mysteriously disappear before next time, or a pessimist (or perhaps realist) who doesn't. Of course, come next report the bad news is just as likely to have got worse!

I suspect this also has to do with "deferring gratification" - which supposedly adults can do, though not all to the same degree. (You've probably seen the mean trick that psychologists play on little kids to study this: "here's one sweet: you can eat it now, but if you don't eat it for five minutes I'll give you another one as well".)
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« Reply #611 on: September 16, 2017, 10:53:39 AM »

Sacrifice peak services on a Friday for daytime services on a Saturday? Well you chaps are probably far more in the know than me.

That would be contrary to our TransWilts experience, where yet again services have been abandoned for half a day today.  However, if Reading depot is locked out of use today and there are only electric trains (plus Marlow and Greenford branch diesels) available in London, it would be very brave of GWR to turn off the entire main line service to the PM's constituency.  Now if Michelle Donelan was p.m. ...

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But if that was the case, why not advertise it in advance so that people can make plans, and/or why have GWR allowed the situation to deteriorate so much to the point where this type of robbing Peter to pay Paul is necessary?

There's a human psyche that says "it will be magically sorted out" and a desire not to be the one to break bad news ... with the result that bad news gets broken very late in the day. General thing, not limited to GWR - I have been kept hanging around with hundreds of other people at an airport from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. while they tried to fix a plane, then bussed to a hotel and back again at 6 a.m. (about 4 hours sleep!) when I suspect the issue was close to being a no-hope from the start until a spare part was flown transatlantic!

So the first point is poor planning, and the second weak leadership, with no doubt everyone looking at everyone else to make a decision - the one thing in common? Total disregard for the customer. In that at least, GWR are consistent.
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« Reply #612 on: September 16, 2017, 12:50:01 PM »

I very much doubt anything was 'sitting around doing nothing' - try and find anything sat in sidings looking bored during the morning peak tomorrow if you like?
A few weeks back, a 387 was doing not very much in the (unwired) Slough Goods Loop.  Other than waiting for a loco to drag it back to where there's some electricity.
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« Reply #613 on: September 16, 2017, 12:52:17 PM »

Yes, that was a wrong routing balls-up!
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« Reply #614 on: October 07, 2017, 06:26:46 AM »

On a more complex railway, there is more to go wrong  Sad

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05:47 Maidenhead to London Paddington due 06:32 was terminated at Hayes & Harlington.
It will no longer call at Southall, Ealing Broadway and London Paddington.
This is due to failure of the electricity supply.
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