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« Reply #900 on: June 04, 2018, 08:23:46 pm »

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I can report that the rear 4 carriages are utterly deserted. Maybe 5 passengers per carriage. The front 8 are full and standing -
So passengers would rather stand in coaches 1-8 for 20-30 minutes, instead of having a seat in coach 9 or 10 and walking through a minute before their destination?  Roll Eyes

Apparently so.

Certainly you'd have thought coaches 9 and 10 would be not too much of an inconvenience for the reward of a seat.  As others have said I expect it will sink in to the regulars soon enough.  Glad to hear the announcements were much better tonight though, and funnily enough dwell times at Maidenhead and Twyford were much better. 

Was pottering around London town today and decided to catch the 17:49 back to Tilehurst. As it happens I was sat in the rear of coach 8 and was able to see how the situation developed with regards to the rear 4 coaches.

I counted 80 people coming from the rear 4 coaches to use the rear set of doors on coach 8 at Maidenhead. This led to a 3 minute dwell time though luckily we had arrived 2 minutes early. A station staff member also boarded to ensure everyone had gotten off before the train departed.

It would seem Twyford pax had a little more sense* and used the time in between Maidenhead and Twyford to move forward, most of which continued to the front of coach 8 or further forward. I counted 50 people who did this with a further 10 passing from coach 9 into coach 8 on arrival at Twyford.

A further 15 people passed through between Twyford and Reading, those heading to Tilehurst and beyond, with a small handful that transferred from the rear to the front by way of platform at Reading.


*Admittedly all it takes is a handful of people to stand by the rear doorway of coach 8 to stop any others from being able to proceed further
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« Reply #901 on: June 16, 2018, 02:00:48 pm »

Saw this explanation on Twitter this week for why some 12 car formations are being run as 8.

Not sure I follow it....

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« Reply #902 on: June 16, 2018, 02:26:07 pm »

Another example of GWR raising expectations then failing to keep their promises.

This particular service (0733) is consistently horrendously overcrowded and GWR have been waving the 12 car train in everyone's faces for some time by way of mitigation - it was supposed to start some time ago but I am not sure if as yet it ever has.

Generally speaking GWR seem to fail to understand the quite simple concept when they brag about all the extra capacity from Maidenhead that if you start trains from Didcot that previously started from Maidenhead or Reading, they are likely to be full long before they arrive.

Yet another own goal.
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« Reply #903 on: June 16, 2018, 02:27:32 pm »

My point was - where is this loop which prevents the service from running?
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« Reply #904 on: June 16, 2018, 02:40:58 pm »

Hi Bob, I think its the loop at Didcot where the 3P08 empty stock from Reading TC Depot reverses before forming the 1P08 0652 (0733 Maidenhead) service.  I've had a quick look on RTT but can't see any obvious conflict there at that particular time.
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« Reply #905 on: June 16, 2018, 03:30:20 pm »

I have another theory. In the WTT shown in RTT for last week, 1P08 was assembled in Didcot P4 from two ECS workings from Reading Depot - suggesting there's nowhere there that can assemble a 12-car EMU. It ran to Paddington P9, arriving in P9 at 7:55, and then ran ECS to West Ealing Loop where it was to sit from 8:11 to 18:18. It then returned to Paddington, to form 1R05 18:42 to Reading. Reality didn't quite match that, but in different ways each day.

There is a freight movement, 6M70 "Brentford Town Days Gbrf to Neasden Engineers Sdg Gbrf", due through West Ealing Loop at 13:45-14:07. On Thursday it was cancelled, and the train ran (length unknown). On Friday it ran, and the train went into the loop and then vanished; the evening working was cancelled for staffing reasons (allegedly).
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« Reply #906 on: June 16, 2018, 10:04:09 pm »

I don't see how that West Ealing Loop could be the problem, it wouldn't matter if it was a single engine or an 18 car train, it would still be in the way of that freight train passing through?

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In the WTT shown in RTT for last week, 1P08 was assembled in Didcot P4 from two ECS workings from Reading Depot - suggesting there's nowhere there that can assemble a 12-car EMU
Huh Each 1P08 working is formed from one 3P08 working. Are you reading the Didcot entry twice by any chance, firstly as it passes through Didcot (06:31) and then as it arrives at Didcot (06:44)?
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« Reply #907 on: June 16, 2018, 11:40:29 pm »

There are two West Ealing Sidings, accessed off the loop, each capable of holding two 8-car 387s. That's what they were built for: "West Ealing Sidings (WES) is being redeveloped to house Great Western Railway’s (GWR) rolling stock during inter-peak hours between the West and Paddington station. The sidings shall provide a stabling facility for GWR’s existing Diesel trains and the newly introduced Electric trains."

The current timetable sends four trains there each morning, so even if one of those could be persuaded to go back out in service (e.g. to Reading) it wouldn't make space for a 12-car one. Hence that goes to the loop, not one of the sidings. Mind you, it does seem a bit optimistic to think you can have exclusive use all day of a loop that's partly there for goods trains to duck into.

As to my not so relevant comments about Didcot, I'm sure you're right - I don't now see what I did, either for P4 or the same thing for P3, so I must have misread it. And even if RTT did show two trains in for only one out, it does that quite often without it meaning a lot. So I guess we should assume that Reading Depot can pass each morining's Chinese puzzle exam even with a 12-car train or two to assemble.
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« Reply #908 on: Yesterday at 04:16:07 am »

Mind you, it does seem a bit optimistic to think you can have exclusive use all day of a loop that's partly there for goods trains to duck into.

Out of context / learning example - perhaps this is why the idea of a simple platform extension out to the track that's away from the platform at Westbury and calling it "Platform 0" seems to get little traction.   Mind you - the description of any platform extension as "simple" seems way off target when you look at the major works at Trowbridge, at Dilton Marsh and at Freshford ...
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« Reply #909 on: Yesterday at 07:49:32 am »

I see what is being said about the West Ealing loop now.

Yes it does seem optimistic to use a loop all day for storing, having said that it seems a waste to have a loop line allocated to only have one freight train for a 20 minute stint all day
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