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« Reply #930 on: June 20, 2019, 09:35:38 pm »


Is there a good reason why 1R06, the 1757 Paddington to Reading is/was still a turbo, today Thursday 20 June?

My wife was not impressed with my  praise of electrification, as we passed countless new EMU's both Crossrail and 387's, quietly vegetating in sidings along the way of our cramped noisy unit.

Basically the odd Turbo operated services cover for 387s away for the Heathrow Air conversions. 

Very few 387s are left loitering in sidings throughout the peak times, you may have spotted a 12-car formation in West Ealing sidings, but that comes out at 18:18 empty to Paddington to form the 18:42 to Reading, so they're not vegetating.
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« Reply #931 on: June 20, 2019, 10:10:51 pm »

Basically the odd Turbo operated services cover for 387s away for the Heathrow Air conversions. 

But I thought the 387's going to Heathrow services were surplus because of extra 800's?
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« Reply #932 on: June 20, 2019, 10:26:30 pm »

Basically the odd Turbo operated services cover for 387s away for the Heathrow Air conversions. 

But I thought the 387's going to Heathrow services were surplus because of extra 800's?

In a roundabout way they are.  The 17:18 Oxford used to be a 6-car Turbo and is now an IET.  The 17:57 to Reading used to be a 387 and is now a 6-car Turbo.  Net result two 387 trains can be released for conversion.  Come December, both the IET and Turbo probably won't be needed for those diagrams as the 17:57 (and many others) will be operated by TfL Rail and the equivalent to the 17:18 can then become a 12-car 387.
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« Reply #933 on: June 20, 2019, 11:11:21 pm »


 The 17:57 to Reading used to be a 387 and is now a 6-car Turbo. 


There were very many 345's quietly enjoying the sunshine.

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« Reply #934 on: June 20, 2019, 11:42:26 pm »

Well...yes, there would be.
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« Reply #935 on: June 21, 2019, 09:15:41 am »


Pardon my naivety but if the 1757 can be operated with a 345 in December, why not in June? I'm sure that our fellows further West would appreciate those two Turbo's throughout the Summer months. Aren't the 345's in use out of Liverpool St?

Perhaps TOC's need fining for working diesels wholly under the wires - but its probably DfT's fault ultimately.

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« Reply #936 on: June 25, 2019, 05:21:45 pm »


Pardon my naivety but if the 1757 can be operated with a 345 in December, why not in June? I'm sure that our fellows further West would appreciate those two Turbo's throughout the Summer months. Aren't the 345's in use out of Liverpool St?

Perhaps TOC's need fining for working diesels wholly under the wires - but its probably DfT's fault ultimately.

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Because the 345's, their crews and their maintenance facilites are all part of TfL rail. GWR are contracted to have the job, crew it and take the revenue until Dec 2019.

It probably could be sorted if there was a massive issue, like a fleet-wide fault was found and the 387s all had to be pulled from service. But there doesn't really seem to be a compelling argument in the meantime.   

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« Reply #937 on: June 25, 2019, 10:29:52 pm »


But a number of 387's have been pulled. I appreciate that the loose ends have been tied up from the operating and contractual point of view but that hasn't put the customer experience first.

Surely there was enough notice of the 387 conversions to have enough trained drivers and 345's to operate Reading stoppers by now. If it can be done on the Eastern then why not the Western?

I shall just have to wait for Christmas!

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« Reply #938 on: June 25, 2019, 10:45:59 pm »

I think the one or two Turbo diagrams a day, using (let's face it) trains which were a mainstay on the route for 18 years, for a temporary period for six months until December when TfL Rail will take them over, is a better idea than attempting to alter long established contracts changeover dates.  They managed it on the Eastern because they stuck to the plan of TfL Rail taking over from Greater Anglia in 2015, so there was no need to amend any contracts.
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« Reply #939 on: June 26, 2019, 12:45:18 pm »


I happily accede to your informed and invariably wise opinion.

My idle thoughts were only with those having another summer of Pacers etc.

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