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« Reply #525 on: August 06, 2018, 23:48:00 »

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Due to a fault affecting the locomotive pulling the sleeper service from London Paddington to Penzance, and the necessity to replace it with another locomotive from Reading Train Care Depot, the 23:45 from London Paddington to Penzance will start at Reading at 00:46. Sleeper train customers will be able to make use of the First Class Lounge at Paddington, and should catch the 23:30 Cardiff train and alight at Reading to connect into their sleeper train.

Pity the passenger(s) who arrives at Paddington at 23:31 or will the 23.30 to Cardiff be held till 23:45.
It left at 2345.
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« Reply #526 on: August 06, 2018, 23:50:41 »

Well common sense tells you it would!   Wink
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« Reply #527 on: August 07, 2018, 05:34:36 »

Well common sense tells you it would!   Wink

Real time trains shows the Cardiff service leaving at 23:45 from Paddington and good time allowed for the connection to the sleeper, which as a result left there late.   As I write, though, the sleeper has made up that shortfall and is on time at Newton Abbott.    The Cardiff remained 15 late all the way.

Probably the best solution in the circumstances, as indeed common sense suggests.

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« Reply #528 on: August 07, 2018, 05:57:33 »

Well common sense tells you it would!   Wink


Has someone in GWR (Great Western Railway) HQ (Headquarters) got some ? Tell that to Grahame with his missed connections.
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« Reply #529 on: August 07, 2018, 06:39:18 »

Well common sense tells you it would!   Wink

Has someone in GWR (Great Western Railway) HQ (Headquarters) got some ? Tell that to Grahame with his missed connections.

GrahamE here - that missed connection episode, with the photo I took of people dashing up to the train as it pulled out - is now with GWR for inclusion in staff training as an example of what not to do.   Time can't be rolled back to correct that day last month, but there is some comfort in lessons being widely learned.
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« Reply #530 on: August 07, 2018, 10:18:38 »

Even more common sense was applied, by having the Cardiff train use Platform 12 at Reading with the sleeper on 13 for cross platform interchange.   Shocked
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« Reply #531 on: August 07, 2018, 10:28:22 »

Even more common sense was applied, by having the Cardiff train use Platform 12 at Reading with the sleeper on 13 for cross platform interchange.   Shocked


Was it, or did the Network Rail signaller suggest it ? Who ever it was, good thinking.
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« Reply #532 on: August 07, 2018, 10:32:08 »

Often late evening sees only P12-15 in use as through platforms anyway.
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« Reply #533 on: August 07, 2018, 12:54:05 »

Often late evening sees only P12-15 in use as through platforms anyway.
Quite often yes, although not the case last night.

Even more common sense was applied, by having the Cardiff train use Platform 12 at Reading with the sleeper on 13 for cross platform interchange.   Shocked


Was it, or did the Network Rail signaller suggest it ? Who ever it was, good thinking.

I don't know, I was going to say that the most surprising thing that happened was that someone in the TVSC» (Thames Valley Signalling Centre - about) must have actually over ridden the ARS (Automatic Route Setting) for this to happen! Now that is a shock, S&TEngineer would never believe it!
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« Reply #534 on: August 07, 2018, 14:31:09 »

Often late evening sees only P12-15 in use as through platforms anyway.
Quite often yes, although not the case last night.

Even more common sense was applied, by having the Cardiff train use Platform 12 at Reading with the sleeper on 13 for cross platform interchange.   Shocked

Was it, or did the Network Rail signaller suggest it ? Who ever it was, good thinking.

I don't know, I was going to say that the most surprising thing that happened was that someone in the TVSC» (Thames Valley Signalling Centre - about) must have actually over ridden the ARS (Automatic Route Setting) for this to happen! Now that is a shock, S&TEngineer would never believe it!

Ah yes.  But that would probably have been at the request of GWR (Great Western Railway), so they take any delay minutes hit.  Still waiting for ARS to sort itself elsewhere (might be a very long wait;  bit like an ARS delayed train)......
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« Reply #535 on: August 07, 2018, 18:15:21 »

I don't know, I was going to say that the most surprising thing that happened was that someone in the TVSC» (Thames Valley Signalling Centre - about) must have actually over ridden the ARS (Automatic Route Setting) for this to happen! Now that is a shock, S&TEngineer would never believe it!

Ah yes.  But that would probably have been at the request of GWR (Great Western Railway), so they take any delay minutes hit.  Still waiting for ARS to sort itself elsewhere (might be a very long wait;  bit like an ARS delayed train)......
Haven't you heard? NR» (Network Rail - home page) have installed a Traffic Management system, 'Luminate'.  Now I have no evidence that this is what happened, but I've been led to believe that such a scenario is well within its capabilities; re-time and re-platform the Cardiff train, re-time the empty sleeper to terminate at Reading platform 13, and have the sleeper proper start there.  Two shakes of a mouse's tail, a few key-clicks here and there, the occasional "Out of Cheese" Error, and new timetables are downloaded to ARS for it to run the trains.
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« Reply #536 on: August 07, 2018, 18:18:52 »

Looking back to last week on RTT» (Real Time Trains - website) the two services often used platforms 12 and 13.

As Industry Insider mentioned earlier this is quite common due to engineering work closing lines.
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« Reply #537 on: August 07, 2018, 19:22:31 »

Yes, last week because the main lines were shut east of Reading, this week the relief lines are shut both east and west of Reading, meaning P9 should be used by the Cardiff
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« Reply #538 on: August 07, 2018, 19:36:02 »

Out of interest what is open *west* of Reading.
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« Reply #539 on: August 07, 2018, 20:00:25 »

Yes, last week because the main lines were shut east of Reading, this week the relief lines are shut both east and west of Reading, meaning P9 should be used by the Cardiff

? But last night was this week!
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