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Author Topic: Bristol's Temple Gate layout change planned in 21m revamp  (Read 19543 times)
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« Reply #135 on: January 02, 2020, 01:09:44 pm »

A lot of the area behind the old Grosvenor Hotel building, between that and Redcliffe Way, was still fenced off. I haven't been back there since then so hopefully it's been cleared now. I can't remember if it looked finished, just that it was still fenced off.
Ahh yeah, apologies I thought you meant at the station

The area you mention still looks a long way off of completion, and seemingly odd that the bold statement was made about the works being complete yet there is this massive area in the middle of it all

Another odd thing some of these new tarmacked cycle paths have white lines and graphics painted on them others don't - so that can be added to a snag list too  Grin
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« Reply #136 on: January 02, 2020, 03:49:39 pm »

The timing of the pedestrian crossing going from the Grosvenor hotel to the Temple Meads side (comes out next to the car park) is woeful. It prioritises cars way to much.

Just before Christmas I was stood for a good 2-3 minutes waiting for the green man to apear. It meant my walk for a certain train went from reasonably leisurely to somewhat rushed. There isn't even a central reservation so it's more difficult to take your life into your own hands and cross halfway. Probably worth walking a bit further to cross opposite the station ramp instead.
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« Reply #137 on: January 02, 2020, 03:54:21 pm »

I couldn't agree more with the previous poster. This definitely needs looking at again.
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« Reply #138 on: January 02, 2020, 05:24:56 pm »

The timing of the pedestrian crossing going from the Grosvenor hotel to the Temple Meads side (comes out next to the car park) is woeful. It prioritises cars way to much.

This whole scheme is a curate's egg, if ever there was one. On the one hand we have road space being turned to public realm at Temple Square and, to some extent, Redcliffe Way; a Good Thing. On the other we have a road network which just makes you long for the day (soon, surely!) when the current generation of highways engineers retires.

As one who regularly fulminates about the glacial pace of rail improvement projects, I have to say that Bristol's efforts to squeeze out the private motor car are even more frustrating. Over 20 years since the Inner Circuit Road ceased to exist, we are still building huge roads that route massive amounts of traffic through the most sensitive parts of town. Meanwhile, while cyclists choose whether to stay on the main road and pass Temple Meads in 2 minutes or use expensive new cycle lanes that allow them to get through in over 6, pedestrians watch the cars (and minutes) pass by and hope they still have time to get to the other side of the road to catch their train of bus...

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« Reply #139 on: January 02, 2020, 05:30:45 pm »

As one who regularly fulminates about the glacial pace of rail improvement projects, I have to say that Bristol's efforts to squeeze out the private motor car are even more frustrating. Over 20 years since the Inner Circuit Road ceased to exist, we are still building huge roads that route massive amounts of traffic through the most sensitive parts of town. Meanwhile, while cyclists choose whether to stay on the main road and pass Temple Meads in 2 minutes or use expensive new cycle lanes that allow them to get through in over 6, pedestrians watch the cars (and minutes) pass by and hope they still have time to get to the other side of the road to catch their train of bus...

I can't help wondering if we might look for a third dimension to solve this?   From The BBC earlier today, and what comes to Singapore in 2035 could come to Bristol in the following few years.

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« Reply #140 on: January 02, 2020, 06:24:00 pm »


I can't help wondering if we might look for a third dimension to solve this?   From The BBC earlier today, and what comes to Singapore in 2035 could come to Bristol in the following few years.

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If Bristol were to follow its usual processes for public transport, the Volocopter vehicles would be introduced just as they were becoming obsolete everywhere else, used to fly a couple of visiting cabinet ministers from Temple Meads to City Hall, then quietly forgotten about.  Grin

I visited Singapore in April last year, and it is somewhere I want to go back to. I called into the Marina Sands Hotel - the big one with three skyscrapers joined by the Sky Park on top - to get some tickets and to get into the impressive gardens opposite. I saw the fireworks and drones display on New Years Eve on TV (watch on catch-up if you missed it), and if the Volocopter idea can be done anywhere, it will happen in Singapore. I shan't be first to try it though - I watched the demonstration video, and the controls looked like normal helicopter controls. I tried flying a helicopter once, and it wasn't as easy as I thought it would be, even though I had thought it would be pretty difficult. I also would like to see what happens when one of the many engines stops running before my first flight as a passenger. Anyway, Singapore's normal taxis are very good, and not expensive.
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« Reply #141 on: January 02, 2020, 06:55:48 pm »

I can't help wondering if we might look for a third dimension to solve this?   From The BBC earlier today, and what comes to Singapore in 2035 could come to Bristol in the following few years.

In the words of Neils Bohr:
Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future.

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« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2020, 07:40:32 pm »

The timing of the pedestrian crossing going from the Grosvenor hotel to the Temple Meads side (comes out next to the car park) is woeful. It prioritises cars way to much.

Just before Christmas I was stood for a good 2-3 minutes waiting for the green man to apear. It meant my walk for a certain train went from reasonably leisurely to somewhat rushed. There isn't even a central reservation so it's more difficult to take your life into your own hands and cross halfway. Probably worth walking a bit further to cross opposite the station ramp instead.
The one with the countdown display? It's good in that it's much easier to see the green man than on the normal-for-Bristol display on the post by your elbow. Shame that green man is only lit for 7 seconds (I timed it) and, yes, an even bigger shame you have to wait so long for it.
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« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2020, 08:27:26 pm »

The timing of the pedestrian crossing going from the Grosvenor hotel to the Temple Meads side (comes out next to the car park) is woeful. It prioritises cars way to much.

Just before Christmas I was stood for a good 2-3 minutes waiting for the green man to apear. It meant my walk for a certain train went from reasonably leisurely to somewhat rushed. There isn't even a central reservation so it's more difficult to take your life into your own hands and cross halfway. Probably worth walking a bit further to cross opposite the station ramp instead.
The one with the countdown display? It's good in that it's much easier to see the green man than on the normal-for-Bristol display on the post by your elbow. Shame that green man is only lit for 7 seconds (I timed it) and, yes, an even bigger shame you have to wait so long for it.

Don't worry. It will be changed after the third serious accident.
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« Reply #144 on: January 03, 2020, 12:08:54 pm »

The timing of the pedestrian crossing going from the Grosvenor hotel to the Temple Meads side (comes out next to the car park) is woeful. It prioritises cars way to much.

Just before Christmas I was stood for a good 2-3 minutes waiting for the green man to apear. It meant my walk for a certain train went from reasonably leisurely to somewhat rushed. There isn't even a central reservation so it's more difficult to take your life into your own hands and cross halfway. Probably worth walking a bit further to cross opposite the station ramp instead.

The difference with this junction though is that it only responds to someone pressing the button to cross where as all the others in that area just interact with the combination of red lights for the traffic.

I often use this crossing and hate to say I've never waited as long as you mention, but would assume that the crossing had just reset back to red man, so there is a minimum time before going back to the green man again

I assume that you still went up the incline when you had crossed the road though?
Otherwise you were lengthening your walk up to the station anyway going through the Temple Quay entrance
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« Reply #145 on: January 03, 2020, 01:58:12 pm »

I assume that you still went up the incline when you had crossed the road though?
Otherwise you were lengthening your walk up to the station anyway going through the Temple Quay entrance

According to my rough-and-ready calculation, the distance from the crossing by the Grosvenor Hotel to Platform 3 via Friary is about 385m, whereas via the Incline it is 388m. Not much in it either way, but apparently 60% of people enter through the Friary entrance these days.
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« Reply #146 on: January 03, 2020, 05:11:42 pm »

I can't help wondering if we might look for a third dimension to solve this?   

If 'dystopia' was a word, then a sky full of drones and air-Ubers would define it perfectly.
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« Reply #147 on: January 05, 2020, 02:15:50 pm »


If 'dystopia' was a word, then a sky full of drones and air-Ubers would define it perfectly.

I bet not many of the "visionaries" have thought about that, Red Squirrel, just thee and me. The city sky full of buzzing delivery drones and electric flying (and doubtless occasionally plunging) taxis seems a heavy price to pay for the rapid delivery of the Blu-ray box set of David Attenborough's latest series, or your novelty Greta Thunberg mug.
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« Reply #148 on: January 05, 2020, 03:05:44 pm »

If you want examples of dystopiary, just come and look at my garden.
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