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« on: March 02, 2015, 16:32:12 »

An interesting BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) News Magazine article coming on the back of the Inter-City East Coast franchise returning to private hands.

It's a long article so I'll not quote it in full. The full article can be read at the following link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31621300

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This weekend East Coast main line train services passed from public to private hands. But is it realistic to talk about the rail network ever being renationalised?

A rare experiment in public ownership has come to an end.

Supporters say that Directly Operated Railways, a state-run body, rescued the East Coast main line after the collapse in 2009 of National Express's franchise. The firm had been unable to deliver promised revenues to the government.

Directly Operated Railways handed a billion pounds in premiums to the Treasury during its period in charge.

But after the government decided to return the franchise to private hands a bidding process in November gave it to a consortium of Virgin and Stagecoach - called Intercity Railways.

The unions and Labour have argued the line - which runs between London and Edinburgh - should have been kept in public hands.

Labour has suggested that it will review the franchising system and allow the public sector to bid to operate rail lines. The Conservatives say that would be unworkable.

John Major's Conservative government split up British Rail into a series of franchises 20 years ago.

Since then the number of passengers travelling on the railways has doubled. But the public subsidy has risen.

A YouGov survey in May 2014 suggested that the public supported renationalisation by a margin of 60% - 20%.

But how easy would it be to renationalise the railways?

Not difficult at all, says James Abbott, editor of Modern Railways. Network Rail, which manages the track, is already in public hands. The train companies have time-limited franchises. Once these have expired the government could get them back at no cost to the taxpayer.

Most of the franchises expire during the next parliament, which runs until May 2020. The exceptions are East Coast (2023), Thameslink, Southern, Great Northern, Chiltern (2021), and Essex Thameside - branded C2C - (2029).

If a government wanted the process to be quicker - or to avoid a mixed system - it's hard to say how much buying out the private sector would cost.

Mark Smith, who used to set fares at the Department of Transport and now runs the website The Man in Seat 61, says you could estimate what payouts would be needed by looking at each franchise's annual profits and then multiplying by how many years are left on it.

The rail industry says about ^250m is made in profits by the franchisees each year, about 3% of turnover.

There's also the question of UK (United Kingdom) and European Union legislation.

The Railways Act 1993 states that the public sector cannot bid for franchises. Either a totally new act would be needed to oversee nationalisation or there would need to be significant amendments to the existing act.

The EU» (European Union - about) says it wants to open up national freight and passenger markets to cross-border competition.

There are rules stating that the track and rolling stock must be managed separately - an attempt to allow free competition, although state-owned railways across the continent use holding companies in order to abide by this. A new European Commission strategy - the Fourth Railway package - to be voted on this summer by the European parliament could further pressure member states to open state-owned railways to private competition.

None of these hurdles are insurmountable, says Ian Taylor, author of Rebuilding Rail, a 2012 report for the trade unions. "The biggest obstacle to renationalising the railways is the prevailing dogma - the assumption that marketisation and competition must be best."

So what do the political parties say? Labour's official policy is to allow the state to bid for franchises. But in recent weeks new shadow transport secretary Michael Dugher has gone further.

"The public sector will be running sections of our rail network as soon as we can do that," he told the New Statesman recently. He ruled out a return to British Rail but said a Labour government would put "the whole franchising system as it stands today in the bin".

The Conservatives are against nationalising the network. A spokesman says that franchising has led to the most improved railways in the EU with record levels of investment, passenger numbers doubling and punctuality rates at record levels. The state ownership of East Coast main line shows that, he argues.

"While most operators spend more per journey than they get from passengers, East Coast hasn't. East Coast charged passengers on average more per journey, while running older, cheaper trains than on the privately run West Coast line. The new East Coast franchise will turn that round, bringing new services, new investment, more seats, state-of-the-art new trains and faster journeys - and it will return more to the taxpayer too."


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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 19:56:12 »

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Repainted and rebranded ^ Virgin Trains East Coast service leaves London

The reprivatised rail service embarked on its first journey on Monday but debate still rages whether it is best in private or public hands


The first repainted, rebranded and reprivatised Virgin Trains East Coast train left London Kings Cross station for Edinburgh at 11am on Monday, its new red-and-white livery signalling ^ according to one set of politicians and businessmen ^ a fresh chapter and better services for passengers.

After five years of public ownership, that view is disputed by unions and Labour, for whom East Coast became totemic in the argument over who should run rail transport.

Successful and profitable but with its financial returns going to the government rather than shareholders, East Coast^s significance was not lost on the coalition. They put it at the top of the franchising queue ahead of the general election.

However, the transport minister Claire Perry, at Kings Cross for Virgin TEC^s official launch, insists: ^It^s been a whipped-up political controversy.^ Labour had time in power to change the system had it wished, she says, adding that East Coast under the state-owned Directly Operated Railways (DOR) was never intended to be an ongoing operating company. ^It wasn^t able to make the investments like the ^140m of private sector money that will flow into this franchise.^

Over its eight-year franchise the new operator ^ a joint venture 90% owned by Stagecoach but with Richard Branson^s licensed brand ^ will bring more direct links to the capital and cut journey times after a new fleet of trains is introduced from 2019. The consortium will invest ^140m, partly spent on refurbishing the existing fleet and improving stations.

It should also pay ^3.3bn in premiums to the Treasury, says David Horne, managing director of Virgin Trains East Coast. ^When you look at [DOR] paying ^1bn in five years, that^s going to be a good deal for taxpayers.^

So what exactly is the magic touch that a private operator brings to make this all possible? On the first rebranded train on Monday, Horne says: ^It^s a commitment to customer service.^ If that concept seems nebulous, Horne cites a new ^3m ^customers and communities^ fund for investments and improvements along the line. ^We^re up for anything. When you bid for a franchise you^re looking forward to think what are customers going to need, but this fund gives a way to do different things that we haven^t thought of that customers may suggest.^

The remaining train exteriors will be retouched by August; addressing the ageing interiors will take longer, with refurbishment starting over two years from August. The franchise will include 65 new trains in 2019 under the Intercity Express Programme, ordered by the government from Hitachi, part-manufactured in the new Newton Aycliffe assembly plant in Co Durham. That replacement fleet means 50% more seats and a cut in journey times from London to Edinburgh to four hours. Horne says his firm^s experience will help: ^Between them Stagecoach and Virgin have introduced more trains to the new network than any other operator.^

One key contention of private operators^ supporters is that their innovation and customer service has increased passenger numbers. Pressed for specifics, Perry says: ^There will be free Wi-Fi, customer offers. There will be Nectar points. When is the last time that you heard of good old British Rail offering any kind of customer incentives?^

Even if the political divide can be encapsulated in a supermarket loyalty programme, the management of East Coast under DOR claims to have ^relentlessly focused^ on customers (it did, in fact, operate a rewards points scheme). In a valedictory email to stakeholders last week Karen Boswell, the outgoing managing director, trumpeted a record that saw the company garner awards and plaudits. She notes: ^We developed a strong East Coast brand from scratch and we created a relentless focus on the customer throughout our business ^ and we^ve been able to achieve one of the highest customer satisfaction ratings of any franchised long-distance operator in the country.^

A second argument is that staff will benefit. Perry says: ^The staff on East Coast, I^ve talked to dozens of them, are really excited to be working with two very customer-facing brands.^

Horne adds: ^One member said he^d wished we^d taken over years ago, I certainly haven^t detected regret that they^re not working for DOR any more. Most of them are looking forward to working for us because we^re going to provide a lot of investment and opportunities for them in the future: we have plans to invest in customer service training and an overall plan to develop the businesses.^

Boswell also claims the support of staff in her email however: ^We made significant investments in our people and assets; and above all, we rekindled a company spirit amongst our people ... we^ve been able to achieve an employee engagement score that is virtually unparalleled in the rail industry.^

The last private operator to run the franchise was, briefly, National Express, which handed the keys to DOR in 2009 after failing to meet its payments as the financial crisis hit. Refranchising might finally consign the transport operator^s ignominious moment to history, although Dean Finch, the chief executive who joined in 2010, says: ^I don^t believe any journalist is going to let National Express forget that in my lifetime.^ He is, unsurprisingly, pro-privatisation: ^The private sector profit take is not taking out a large wedge of money. In return it has contributed a vast amount.^

Despite East Coast^s success as one of only two firms to make a net contribution to government coffers over the last two years, its payments exceeding its subsidy, Finch says: ^The reflections on improved service, and punctuality, are only part of the story. [Was] the government getting more back than it would have under the previous contract, more than a private sector operator would have? I don^t think so.^ Finch says that East Coast had always been a profitable line, with relatively low leasing costs because of the old rolling stock ^ making it ripe for any operator.

Now, says Horne: ^People here have looked at what Virgin have done on the West Coast line and are excited by the prospect of a similar transformation of services.^ The image he uses is ^a hotel on wheels^, adding: ^There are very few commuters on this line ^ if people are using it, it^s because they want to, we have to impress them.^

The reaction of staff and passengers at York station on Monday was more prosaic, with few changes yet visible to most except the Virgin stickers in the window, new staff badges and plastic Virgin windcheaters concealing old uniforms to keep out the snow showers.

One passenger had travelled down from the north-east, but declined to be named, saying: ^m leftwing so I^d rather they renationalised, but I^m going to get on the train whoever^s running it. I can^t imagine it will make any difference to the service, just the money will be going to different people.^ Some staff ^ especially on board ^ are hopeful for change; others say that the ownership was less of an issue for employees than politicians. One commented: ^A job^s a job ^ makes no difference, so long as we get paid at the end of the month.^

Labour has now pledged to legislate swiftly for rail reform, with Michael Dugher, the shadow transport secretary, describing the end of East Coast trains as ^a hammer blow for passengers, taxpayers and employees alike^.

Perry^s retort on Monday was firm: ^We don^t talk about having a public sector energy company or a public sector airline.^ With the once state-owned British Airways^ parent company IAG forecasting ^2.2bn in profits this year, the minister could, however, be on to something. She adds: ^d like to see the Labour party^s proposal, Dugher Airlines, which I^m sure is coming.^
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2015, 21:11:52 »

I think there is a case to allow DOR (or some fancy name) a UK (United Kingdom) Government Agency to bid for franchises and even with some routes lines which are subsidised to be given the concession to run them on the bases of a social operator; lets face it DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about), Abirillo etc are all still quasi state companies, set up to get around the EU» (European Union - about) rules
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 14:06:40 »

There are two main questions to be answered about the realism of re-creating BR (British Rail(ways)). The first one is 'Is it feasible?' and the second one is 'Why?'

The answer to the first is 'Yes - of course'. Parliament can pass any Act it wishes, as long as it remains within the frameworks set down by the EU» (European Union - about) of which the UK (United Kingdom) is a member and other international agreements. If it doesn't it lays itself open to legal challenges.

The corollary to this answer is, however, another question: 'Which version of BR do you wish to re-create?'. The early British Transport Commission/Railway Executive model? The later British Transport Commission model? The early British Rail model or the sectorised British Rail model?

The world has changed significantly in the last 20 years - legally, politically, economically and technically. It would no longer be possible to re-create an exact duplicate of latter-day BR - which I assume is most people refer to when they talk about BR. (Incidentally this means that nobody under the age of 37 or 38 has any direct re-collection of what BR was - what they believe can only have come from hearsay).

The question 'Why?' is interesting. One common theme is that today's railways are more expensive than BR and they are overcrowded. BR in people's memories wasn't (so) crowded and fares were (apparently) lower - ergo, the solution is to turn the clock back. People see a golden past as recalled by John Betjemen's travelogues and in Edward Thomas' poem 'Adlestrop':

Yes, I remember Adlestrop -
The name, because one afternoon
Of heat the express-train drew up there
Unwontedly. It was late June


but he goes on to say

The steam hissed. Someone cleared his throat.
No one left and no one came
On the bare platform. What I saw
Was Adlestrop - only the name


Which is why one of the BRs closed such a lot of the railway.

There are obviously disadvantages in the present structure - but there are disadvantages in any structure. Structures, and even ultimate ownership, is often of secondary interest in the effectiveness of an organisation in the way it meets its goals. Management incentives, from the top down, are the deciding factor - and if the incentives and targets at the top level are confused then the results, under all headings - financial, customer satisfaction,  market share, profitability, safety and so on, will all be less than optimum.

Nationalised industries tended to be pulled in two directions - on the one side they were supposed to operate profitably 'taking one year with another' (Transport Act 1947) and at same time provide services to the public which even by the wildest stretches of the imagination could never make money.

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 15:17:15 »

<pedantic point>

Lovely though it is to see Edward Thomas' poem quoted, I think it is fair to point out that the express train drew up 'unwontedly': it was an unscheduled stop, as we non-poets would say.

We wouldn't therefore necessarily have expected anyone to left or came on the bare platform.

</pedantic point>

Betjamin was worse; in one of his TV shows he referred to a chap returning to a signalbox with a staff in his hand as a 'porter' Angry
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 16:55:29 »

Pre-Beeching the country stations had Signalman/Porters. It was a quite common job
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 17:26:31 »

So why did National Excess fail where others succeeded? Could it just be that they weren't good at running railways?
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2015, 18:08:55 »

So why did National Excess fail where others succeeded? Could it just be that they weren't good at running railways?
They could not find where to put the air in the tyres  Grin Grin

NE did run the LTS quite successfully for while, I think they might have been removed a franchise bid by DfT» (Department for Transport - about) out of spite (my personal opinion)

Network Rail is effectively Nationalised as a UK (United Kingdom) Government Agency although NR» (Network Rail - home page) don't operate trains not even its own trains  Roll Eyes  Shocked
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2015, 20:20:57 »

So why did National Excess fail where others succeeded? Could it just be that they weren't good at running railways?

For a couple of years up to 2009 the National Express group was suffering internal wars in that one of its shareholders, the Spanish Cosmen family, did not want National Express to raise further capital and dilute their shareholding. This was finally resolved and at about the same time the chairman and CEO (Chief Executive Officer), one Richard Bowker, left to build railways in the Emirates.

NatEx group did not have the capital to continue funding the revenue shortfall being experience by NXEC (National Express East Coast) and could not wait until the 'cap-and-collar' revenue support became available.

Bowker was also chairman and CEO of the Strategic Rail Authority until its demise. The SRA» (Strategic Rail Authority - about)'s only lasting achievements were an additional platform at Swindon and the re-doubling of some track in Cornwall.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2015, 21:01:13 »

I think there is a case to allow DOR (or some fancy name) a UK (United Kingdom) Government Agency to bid for franchises and even with some routes lines which are subsidised to be given the concession to run them on the bases of a social operator; lets face it DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about), Abirillo etc are all still quasi state companies, set up to get around the EU» (European Union - about) rules

The argument that because DB, Abellio and the others are subsidiaries of nationalised organisations, then an East Coast Railways/DOR-type operation should also be allowed to bid is false. DB, Abellio and Co. are, without a doubt, nationalised in one form or another - but they are NOT organs of the UK Government. That is the decisive difference.

The issue is that if a UK Government owned or affiliated organisation bids for franchise or a concession and another department of the same UK Government also decides on the winner in such a competition then how does one know whether the selection process has been fair and above board? The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) becomes judge, jury and executioner. Legal challenges would be inevitable.

The successful franchisee has to place a performance bond (as well as other bonds) to cover the costs of selecting a replacement in the case that it becomes insolvent during its tenure. These bonds are large, around the ^20 million mark, and a private bidder has to factor the costs of these bonds into his offer.

A UK-Government-backed operator cannot become insolvent (and DOR posted no such bond). Should a Government-backed operator also have to post a bond - and if so why? The very fact of this bond being unnecessary means that its bid will be cheaper than any private sector competitor.

Allowing a Government-backed Agency to bid for a franchise would only enrich the legal profession and ensure that the private sector would look for other areas in which it could invest its time, expertise and money. It would certainly not be in the railway industry - and the railway industry would be the poorer for it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2015, 23:21:54 »

The argument that because DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about), Abellio and the others are subsidiaries of nationalised organisations, then an East Coast Railways/DOR-type operation should also be allowed to bid is false. DB, Abellio and Co. are, without a doubt, nationalised in one form or another - but they are NOT organs of the UK (United Kingdom) Government. That is the decisive difference.


So the conclusion of the above is that state run train operators are more cost-effective than private ones.

We ought therefore either have DOR competing for all (including foreign) franchises or ban SNCF (Societe Nationale des Chemins de fer Francais - French National Railways), DB, NS etc from tendering for UK operations.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 08:27:54 »

I assume that DOR has now been effectively wrapped up or merged into the new franchise. Even if DOR were allowed to bid for another franchise, surely the people behind DOR have now moved on or been placed elsewhere?
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 10:14:30 »

I suppose I am marginally in favour of renationalisation, but only because the current privatized system is nothing more than pretend capitalism.

The government decides on infrastructure investment, the government decides on rolling stock, the government decides on most of the timetable,  the government regulates the fares, the government micromanages much else - from deciding that stations should be barriered to signing off ticket office closures.  The ToC gets to choose its own livery (except in Scotland).  Hardly a recipe for unleashing the dynamic, innovating forces of capitalism is it, and that begs the question of what is the point of franchising the ToCs out.

It is no coincidence that in the freight sector where proper commercial risks are taken, and proper competition rules, productivity has shot up.  A huge amount of private investment has brought new equipment and through a combination of longer trains and more flexible working arrangements, the industry has become hugely more efficient.   

That ought to have been achievable on the passenger railway, but the cost of transporting a single passenger a single mile has remained on a plateaux.  As passenger numbers have risen, the cost base has risen in lock step with it and potential efficiencies have been squandered by crazy things like shortening trains (on XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) for example). 
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 10:16:50 »

I assume that DOR has now been effectively wrapped up or merged into the new franchise. Even if DOR were allowed to bid for another franchise, surely the people behind DOR have now moved on or been placed elsewhere?

I think you are largely correct.  The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) does however keep a core of people on standby so that DOR can be activated at short notice to take on the next failing TOC (Train Operating Company)
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 10:30:21 »

I assume that DOR has now been effectively wrapped up or merged into the new franchise. Even if DOR were allowed to bid for another franchise, surely the people behind DOR have now moved on or been placed elsewhere?

I think you are largely correct.  The DfT» (Department for Transport - about) does however keep a core of people on standby so that DOR can be activated at short notice to take on the next failing TOC (Train Operating Company)

AIUI (as I understand it) the 'core of people on standby' is DOR, and East Coast was their operating subsidiary, and it is the latter that was 'bought' by Intercity Railways (Stagecoach/Virgin).

So DOR as a government holding company will continue to exist, and still employ that core of people, but they are now on standby, however AFAICT (as far as I can tell) the people are in the private sector, not civil servants.

I don't think the oft repeated statement that the ECML (East Coast Main Line) franchise was 'operated by DOR' is strictly correct.  They were operated by East Coast Ltd, supervised by DOR.

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