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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2015, 19:21:55 »

Hi, Chris from Nailsea.  I am sorry that a wire mesh, metal fence has been erected in places along the trackside (to prevent rock falling on to it?), as it detracts from the wild, picturesque aspect of the cliffs.  I presume it's there to stay. 

Hmm. I'm actually rather pleased that metal mesh fencing has been installed, Eliza, and I hope it is indeed there to stayLips sealed

The consequences of an unwelcome boulder falling onto the railway track can be very serious: for example, see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6881.0 and http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=13564.0
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2015, 20:02:27 »

Hmm. I'm actually rather pleased that metal mesh fencing has been installed, Eliza, and I hope it is indeed there to stayLips sealed

I think you will find that vegetation will soon overwhelm the mesh, rendering it invisible - it is certainly already doing so at the Teignmouth end .
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2015, 07:30:53 »

Thank you, brompton rail, for that information.  As always, on this forum, the quality and the detail is unparalleled.

You are quite right, Chris from Nailsea, that the consequences of a rock or other object falling on the track can be devastating.  It's just that I mourn the immediacy and excitement of being so close to the cliffs that has been lost.  But, as PhilWakeley says, the fence will soon be obscured by vegetation.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2015, 19:29:08 »


I think this is the norm - First Class leading southbound (and trailing northbound). On normal diagrams the HSTs (High Speed Train) don't reverse en route and so are mostly the 'correct way round'. Weekend engineering work may sometimes cause then to be reversed, but I struggle to think of any diversionary routes that require a reversal - even going via Gloucester, Newport and then Parkway puts the sets 'right' way from Bristol Parkway southwards. Via Leicester, via Lichfield, via Doncaster instead of Leeds, via Worcester (going direct via Bromsgrove or via Smethwick West and Stourbridge), even via Westbury doesn't reverse the train. Remember the HSTs only run Glasgow / Dundee / Edinburgh via Birmingham NS to Paignton / Plymouth / Penzance and not to the South Coast. In BR (British Rail(ways)) days allmost all HSTs reversed at Gloucester meaning First was at the correct end (southern end) north of Gloucester, and eastern end south of Gloucester thus matching the same locations on platforms as GW (Great Western) InterCity trains and East Coast InterCity trains.

If a set enters service in reverse it's generally kept that way for the whole diagram to save any associated delays en-route, particularly if the empty stock movement at the end of the day can be used to turn them, a few routes that spring to mind where a train may turn for engineering / train fault reasons on the route are:
Motherwell (via Mossend and Holytown), Edinburgh Suburban line, Newcastle High Level Bridge, York to Leeds via Castleford, Sheffield to Chesterfield via Beighton, Chesterfield to Derby via the Erewash Valley, Birmingham to King's Norton via Camp Hill, Gloucester to Bristol via the tunnel (calling Filton vice Parkway).
Not an exhaustive list, but ones I can think of that XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) drivers sign, there are  few more north of the border but they's need route conducting.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2015, 21:08:53 »

You are dead right. Newcastle Central - reversing by coming in or going out southwards over the High Level Bridge - is a popular one. Also used by East Coast for reversals, and if there is a reason why an HST (High Speed Train) should run in reverse formation, like a defective speedometer or windscreen wiper. The advantage is that it barely adds any time to the running.
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« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2015, 12:56:07 »

You are dead right. Newcastle Central - reversing by coming in or going out southwards over the High Level Bridge - is a popular one. Also used by East Coast for reversals, and if there is a reason why an HST (High Speed Train) should run in reverse formation, like a defective speedometer or windscreen wiper. The advantage is that it barely adds any time to the running.
There's one schedule for a Northbound Voyager, which splits at Newcastle, with the "rear" unit continuing to Edinburgh.  This goes "round the houses" (i.e. turns right at King Edward Bridge South Junction, left at Greensfield Junction, then over the High Level Bridge and into Newcastle station from the east), so that the rear unit, after reversal, can continue to Edinburgh.
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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2015, 13:17:35 »

Indeed. The ' front' Voyager unit is attached at Temple Meads, the Plymouth unit attaches to the rear of this unit.

Result: a through Voyager Plymouth to Edinburgh which is strengthen by another Voyager between Bristol TM(resolve) and Newcastle. I was told by a XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) conductor at New Street that there aren't any reservations in the front set. It was less busy than the rear set certainly. Fully staffed with catering in Standard and First. 15.03 north from Birmingham.
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2015, 20:39:17 »

It appears that the remaining set then attaches to the 18:46 from Reading before continuing as the 19:35 to Birmingham once again via the back way.
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