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Author Topic: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb  (Read 34912 times)
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« on: September 30, 2015, 08:17:25 pm »

A few pictures featuring mock-ups of the refurbished Night Riviera Sleeper set from the Cornwall Expo 2015 event held on the 29th & 30th September at Newquay Airport.  Hopefully the mock-up shown isn't going to be the exact seating layout, seems an odd place to position a sofa.... you'll see what I mean!

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/headlines---latest-reports-and-photographs/cornwall-expo-2015-a-special-report-by-mick-house
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2015, 11:39:17 pm »

Quite a logistical effort I'd say to get that coach into a hangar at NQY (Newquay (Station)).
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2016, 08:49:12 pm »

One of the long rock engineers have shared interior photos on Flickr today of the first day coach. Looks rather smart

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/co-tr-p/
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2016, 09:05:01 pm »

But given the almost total airline seating, they look rather claustrophobic for an overnight journey.  I wonder what the degree of recline is too.

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 09:07:03 pm »

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.
Could be.

Hope they turn the lighting down at night too. Looks a bit harsh in the pictures
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 09:08:41 pm »

Airline seats i prefer, when I've travelled I've not been entirely comfortable sharing a table seat with a total stranger and sleeping with stranger opposite.

And Paul has posted on rail forums that many will miss the reclining seats so I assume that they aren't recliners
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2016, 07:09:19 am »

Certainly looks......er......cosy?
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2016, 09:15:44 am »

Thanks.

Does anyone know why the sleeper compartments have been given a day time configuration.  Surely that only makes sense on long continental journeys where the occupants will be awake some of the time.  For journeys lasting from 11:30pm to 7am (or thereabouts) why would you need anything other than a bed?
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2016, 09:27:27 am »

Tim the seated coaches are typically around 75% full when I've used it so I guess there is demand.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2016, 10:29:37 am »

But if they are 75% full in a low density configuration, then why change it to a high density config?  As well as seat pitch, they are narrower due to being 4 abreast, so much less comfortable for an overnight journey.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2016, 05:13:16 pm »

Sorry I wasn't clear.  My previous post referred to the "daytime configuration" of the sleeper compartments.  What is that needed for?   
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2016, 10:42:40 pm »

But given the almost total airline seating, they look rather claustrophobic for an overnight journey.  I wonder what the degree of recline is too.

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.

Very few tables, reduced seating pitch, high backed seats. Looks like a new train.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2016, 12:30:24 am »

But given the almost total airline seating, they look rather claustrophobic for an overnight journey.  I wonder what the degree of recline is too.

I do hope they haven't compromised the optimum configuration just on the basis that the coaches may get the odd outing in the day time.

Very few tables, reduced seating pitch, high backed seats. Looks like a new train.

Are the 'sleeper' coaches not used for day time (relief?) services? I guess perhaps a balance is being made between night time comfort and day time capacity?
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2016, 12:33:10 am »

Thanks.

Does anyone know why the sleeper compartments have been given a day time configuration.  Surely that only makes sense on long continental journeys where the occupants will be awake some of the time.  For journeys lasting from 11:30pm to 7am (or thereabouts) why would you need anything other than a bed?

Are the beds made up by an attendant en route or are they already beds when you board at Paddington or Penzance? As the boarding time is relatively early at the starting points, many people may not want to get straight into bed, so presumably the 'daytime' configuration is to allow those folk somewhere comfy to sit before they're ready to sleep?
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2016, 09:25:16 am »

However you made up the sleeping cabins, I wouldn't want to spend much time in there *not* sleeping....why would you, they're small boxes with almost zero daylight
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