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Author Topic: Night Riviera Sleeper refurb  (Read 28340 times)
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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2019, 04:25:22 am »

IIRC, the recent refurbishment of the sleeper stock included higher density seating. Padded seats are now VERY last year !
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2019, 09:55:01 pm »

It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.
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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2019, 10:00:06 pm »

It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.
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« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2019, 01:25:25 pm »

I've been looking at berth availability this month and I'm pleased to report services from Paddington have occupany levels of around 97% This certainly seems to justify GWR's long term plan of extra Sleeping car every night once Scottish Sleepers have finished using mark 3 stock. This doesn't take into account any "no shows" on the night but having observed people in Lounge turning up and asking about berths they are often re-used anyway.
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« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2019, 07:16:46 pm »

Well fate has landed me in Redruth until next summer, and I commute down to Penzance on Tuesday and Wednesday each week on the Sleeper. The seats aren’t bad, and they have extra privacy from ‘ears’ on the headrests (sorry, don’t know the term for these?!).

But passenger numbers in the seated coaches do not justify the removal of 2 + 1, especially as a higher density 2 + 1 could have been fitted akin to Voyager first class. Ah well, too late now and just glad that the service is both popular and being invested in
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« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2019, 08:11:55 pm »

Well fate has landed me in Redruth until next summer, and I commute down to Penzance

Sorry to hear that!  Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2019, 06:05:03 pm »

It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.

The wonderful; Sleeper staff (they all are!) have been telling us Cornish commuters that we will no longer be able to join the Down Sleeper in the mornings, as it will become ‘set-down only’. Instead we will get an unreliable Cross Country service at 07.20.
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2019, 06:09:53 pm »

It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.


The wonderful; Sleeper staff (they all are!) have been telling us Cornish commuters that we will no longer be able to join the Down Sleeper in the mornings, as it will become ‘set-down only’. Instead we will get an unreliable Cross Country service at 07.20.

They could use the new 0600 service from Plymouth that arrives at Penzance at 0800.
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2019, 07:26:53 pm »

It’s wonderful to see the investment in the Sleeper service and associated station facilities (if not the actual motive power).

However, the reclining First Class seats and 2 +1 layout in the seated coaches will be sorely missed and are a retrograde step. It always felt a bit special coming back late from London in these coaches, now it just feels like a commuter train after dark.

I have been told that the seated coaches are designed for the Cornish leg of the Down sleeper - i.e: early commuters travelling relatively short distances.

The wonderful; Sleeper staff (they all are!) have been telling us Cornish commuters that we will no longer be able to join the Down Sleeper in the mornings, as it will become ‘set-down only’. Instead we will get an unreliable Cross Country service at 07.20.

There’s a new early service on December timetable change

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C45061/2019/12/18/advanced
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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2019, 08:41:31 pm »

Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.
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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2019, 09:39:52 pm »

Of course an opposing point of view might be that it’s nice of GWR to think about its customers by keeping those travelling down on the sleeper in seated accommodation from having their peace and quiet disturbed by a load of noisy commuters loudly tapping on their keyboards and rustling their Metros.
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2019, 10:16:28 pm »


There’s a new early service on December timetable change

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C45061/2019/12/18/advanced

There seem to be an awful lot of westbound trains heading west from Truro ... at Penwithers Junction ...

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/PNWTHRJ/2019/12/18/0702

07:02 - Falmouth Docks (from Truro)
07:12 - Penzance (this one's the sleeper from London)
07:14 - Penzance (from Plymouth)
07:37 - Penzance (from Plymouth)
07:45 - Falmouth Docks (from Truro)
07:57 - Penzance (from Plymouth)
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« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2019, 10:31:30 pm »

Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.

Is it definitely a DMU? Could it be a shortened HST?
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« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2019, 11:15:42 pm »

Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.

I believe it’s a 2+4 hst
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« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2019, 09:27:04 am »

Ah, that’s nice of GWR to swap the nice refurbished, smooth, warm, comfortable Mk 3 I travel on for some slow, ratty, draughty old DMU with the usual condensation running down the insides of the windows and fast food litter kicking around the uncarpeted floor.

Made all the better, I should add, by knowing that the Sleeper will drop off passengers at Redruth but refuse to let me on.

Is it definitely a DMU? Could it be a shortened HST?

Looks like a shortened HST
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