Newly restored "Flying Scotsman" back in service - ongoing discussion

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[Celestial]

Maybe that sign should say "Warning - Limited Intelligence".

[bradshaw]

Tweet from Chris Milner earlier today, part of a thread discussing the event

https://twitter.com/chris_railway/status/1125723397265272833?s=21

Having mentioned campaign, an embargoed NR^» (Network Rail - home page) release has appeared in the in box which relates to trespass generally and mentions taking photos. Embargo is until midnight, so things are happening 

[JayMac]

It'll be very interesting to read that Network Rail press release.

Hopefully it'll be directed at prosecuting trespassers rather than banning heritage rolling stock from mainline.

[stuving]

I was wondering if there is any way to "spoil" the appearance of a locomotive while running - metaphorically putting a bag over her head. It would need to be quick to apply and remove at stopping and other approved viewing places, but aerodynamically viable and structurally sound for safety reasons. One approach would be a bit like the infra-red jammers used on aircraft against missiles - not just a light show but designed to upset cameras. I'm sure there are other possibilities as well.

Of course it wouldn't work if it became a sight worth (for some people) going to photograph in itself.

[JayMac]

[jest mode]
Can I try some of whatever you're drinking stuving?
[/jest mode]

Some would argue that Flying Scotsman's lines have already been spoiled by the addition of the double chimney and smoke deflectors. Something the purists argued could have been removed in her recent restoration, taking her appearance back to 'as built'.

[grahame]

It'll be very interesting to read that Network Rail press release.

Hopefully it'll be directed at prosecuting trespassers rather than banning heritage rolling stock from mainline.

Here it is ... Network Rail Media Centre

Wednesday 8 May 2019
New national partnership launched to tackle increasing numbers of railway risk takers

Network Rail and the British Transport Police (BTP^▸ (British Transport Police)) have today launched a new partnership with the English Football League Trust (EFL Trust) and StreetGames to help tackle the increasing number of people risking their lives on the railway.

Separate thread  ((here))... as it's far, far separate from just Flying Scotsman risk takers

[martyjon]

Flying Scotsman has been fitted with CCTV^▸ (Closed Circuit Tele Vision) cameras to capture images of people on 'the wrong side' and persons so captured will be prosecuted with their publication in/on the media to be identified.

Bristol Post posted details of a forthcoming FS outing to Worcester, approximate times and where to see it INCLUDING the site of at least one former station site where the remnants of a platform still exists.

[JayMac]

It shouldn't be too long before the muppets pictured upthread are facing plod and then a magistrate. The BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) have published the picture of their blatant trespassing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48219462

[TaplowGreen]

It shouldn't be too long before the muppets pictured upthread are facing plod and then a magistrate. The BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) have published the picture of their blatant trespassing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48219462

………..I wonder how many of said muppets will be behaving in a similarly irresponsible and moronic way when the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) set out on their final journeys in the near future?

[grahame]

Reading some speculation in the Press today that Network Rail may ban The Flying Scotsman if trespassing morons continue to delay scheduled services.

A follow up on that from The BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) including comment from Network Rail.

Network Rail said a ban would be a "move of last resort" but could not be ruled out if lives were being risked.

It would not let "a few thoughtless lawbreakers" cause dangers and delays, it said.

Nearly 60 services were delayed for a total of 1,000 minutes as Flying Scotsman complete its tour of the Midlands last weekend, British Transport Police (BTP^▸ (British Transport Police)) said.

and

One passenger service driver, who asked to remain anonymous, said he saw trainspotting trespassers every 200 yards.

Describing it as "probably the most stressful experience I have ever had", he said it was "only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or killed" trying to get a photo.

and

A Flying Scotsman spokesman said a ban "would not be a surprise" but every effort, such as CCTV^▸ (Closed Circuit Tele Vision) and extra police on the train, was being taken to avoid the situation.

[TaplowGreen]

.....more from the BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page), featuring our two favourite gurning trackside morons, who are now being sought by the Police.....anyone know them?

BBC News - Flying Scotsman trespassers spark track ban threat
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48229400

[broadgage]

It shouldn't be too long before the muppets pictured upthread are facing plod and then a magistrate. The BBC^» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) have published the picture of their blatant trespassing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-48219462

………..I wonder how many of said muppets will be behaving in a similarly irresponsible and moronic way when the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) set out on their final journeys in the near future?

I doubt it.
HSTs were very common until recently, and a photo or a viewing of the last service is not different enough to be worth the trouble.
The problems might arise in years to come when a preserved HST makes a rare main line trip.

Returning to the present trespass problems, I would hope that the courts start imposing more significant penalties for such trespass. If the owner of a child is involved one might hope that they could be charged with endangering the child.

[PhilWakely]

………..I wonder how many of said muppets will be behaving in a similarly irresponsible and moronic way when the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) set out on their final journeys in the near future?

I doubt it.
HSTs were very common until recently, and a photo or a viewing of the last service is not different enough to be worth the trouble.
The problems might arise in years to come when a preserved HST makes a rare main line trip.

Returning to the present trespass problems, I would hope that the courts start imposing more significant penalties for such trespass. If the owner of a child is involved one might hope that they could be charged with endangering the child.

As far as the final runs of the HST are concerned, it would appear that problems are currently happening ON the trains rather than lineside. I am a member of a closed Facebook group that is moderated by drivers and there have been reports of extremely moronic behaviour by so-called enthusiasts on several services.

[TaplowGreen]

………..I wonder how many of said muppets will be behaving in a similarly irresponsible and moronic way when the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) set out on their final journeys in the near future?

I doubt it.
HSTs were very common until recently, and a photo or a viewing of the last service is not different enough to be worth the trouble.
The problems might arise in years to come when a preserved HST makes a rare main line trip.

Returning to the present trespass problems, I would hope that the courts start imposing more significant penalties for such trespass. If the owner of a child is involved one might hope that they could be charged with endangering the child.

As far as the final runs of the HST are concerned, it would appear that problems are currently happening ON the trains rather than lineside. I am a member of a closed Facebook group that is moderated by drivers and there have been reports of extremely moronic behaviour by so-called enthusiasts on several services.

.......please don't tell me Broadgage has been trying to pinch the contents of an entire buffet car for old times sake? 😉

[Surrey 455]

If the owner of a child is involved one might hope that they could be charged with endangering the child.

Err, do you mean parent or guardian?