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Author Topic: National Railcard discounts - ongoing discussion, no longer date specific  (Read 25877 times)
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« Reply #105 on: November 23, 2017, 05:23:18 pm »

If this scheme is revenue neutral and boosts rail use, thatís good for the environment and the economy.

It should be rolled out for everyone.
I seem to think Railfuture had a National railcard Campaign , but this wa dropped as it was not revenue neutral , letís start it again , I want a discount ..
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« Reply #106 on: November 23, 2017, 05:32:48 pm »

If this scheme is revenue neutral and boosts rail use, thatís good for the environment and the economy.

It should be rolled out for everyone.
I seem to think Railfuture had a National railcard Campaign , but this wa dropped as it was not revenue neutral , letís start it again , I want a discount ..

I've not seen the maths, or any consultant's briefs or assumptions about a railcard to cover the dwindling gap between the younger and older railcards, but I suspect they could be designed to be revenue neutral or indeed to bring in more revenue. Problem is they would also bring in overcrowding, so make services more costly to provide.   You're not just looking at revenue - you have to consider both sides of the balance sheet.
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« Reply #107 on: November 23, 2017, 05:45:13 pm »

Something on Radio 4 earlier today leads me to think that this card will not be subject to the Peak Time restrictions of other railcards???.
Wish I could add more but the washing machine was going at the time !...
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« Reply #108 on: November 23, 2017, 07:49:23 pm »

In Switzerland virtually no one, bar the occasional tourist, pays full prices for public transport as I believe there is a national travel discount card scheme (for purchase, but the savings far outweigh the outlay) available to all.
For the record the annual Swiss GA [General Abonnemont] (which includes unlimited travel on all transport modes) is currently (with an exchange rate of CHF 1.25):
Adults £3088
16-25: £2120
Senior : £2304
Dogs (yes, really!): £628

Unsurprisingly 5% of the population has one.  Furthermore about half of the population have the half-fare card.

This shows what can be done with an integrated transport system (I have to declare an interest here; I am one-quarter Swiss  Wink )
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« Reply #109 on: November 24, 2017, 12:08:37 am »

Something on Radio 4 earlier today leads me to think that this card will not be subject to the Peak Time restrictions of other railcards???.
Wish I could add more but the washing machine was going at the time !...

The current 16-25 Railcard doesn't have a time restriction as such. Just a minimum fare of £12 before 10am. If your journey is before 10am and costs £12.05-£17.95 it will be discounted to £12. If the fare is £18 or more then it's discounted by 34%.

The 26-30 Railcard trial has the same conditions.
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« Reply #110 on: November 24, 2017, 07:43:09 pm »

Something on Radio 4 earlier today leads me to think that this card will not be subject to the Peak Time restrictions of other railcards???.
Wish I could add more but the washing machine was going at the time !...

The current 16-25 Railcard doesn't have a time restriction as such. Just a minimum fare of £12 before 10am. If your journey is before 10am and costs £12.05-£17.95 it will be discounted to £12. If the fare is £18 or more then it's discounted by 34%.

The 26-30 Railcard trial has the same conditions
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There is a very subtle difference between the 16-25 and 26-30 railcards with respect to the £12 minimum fare. The minimum fare is not applicable during July and August for the 16-25 railcard, but will remain in force all year round for the 26-30 railcard

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« Reply #111 on: November 24, 2017, 08:17:29 pm »

Will a 3-year 26-30 railcard bought the day before the 30th birthday be valid for 3 years still?
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« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2017, 08:22:22 pm »

Will a 3-year 26-30 railcard bought the day before the 30th birthday be valid for 3 years still?

There will not be a 3-year version of the 26-30 railcard. However, just as the 16-25 railcard for 25 year olds, a 26-30 railcard purchased just one day before their 31st birthday will be valid for 12 months.
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« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2017, 08:24:46 pm »

Will a 3-year 26-30 railcard bought the day before the 30th birthday be valid for 3 years still?
In the case of the 16-25 railcard, a three year purchase is not available in the final two years of eligibility.  So regardless of whether you buy one or three year versions, the latest you can keep the card is the day before your 27th birthday (except for students).
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« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2017, 11:32:00 pm »

That still means you only need to pay full fare for a maximum of 29 years.
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« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2017, 11:53:04 pm »

That still means you only need to pay full fare for a maximum of 29 years.

Not if you lop off a limb.  Tongue Wink Grin
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« Reply #116 on: November 25, 2017, 01:16:03 pm »

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the latest you can keep the card is the day before your 27th birthday

Not quite, I purchased my wifes card a few days before her 26th birthday online, and because they allow an extra couple of weeks to cover postage, it was valid for about 12 days into her 28th year
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« Reply #117 on: November 25, 2017, 04:45:46 pm »

Are there any fraud prevention measures built into the digital versions of the various railcards?

From the images I have seen of the 26-30 Railcard and the actual digital 16-25 Railcard, there is very little difference.

I have a naturally suspicious mind and what is to stop an existing owner of a digital 16-25 railcard just creating a digital image of their card and fraudulently creating a new card (either 16-25 or 26-30)? Or, for that matter just finding an image online and using something akin to Photoshop (other image editing software is available) to create their own railcard?
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« Reply #118 on: November 25, 2017, 05:21:46 pm »

I expect there are fraud prevention measures.

Obviously the Rail Delivery Group won't be telling us what they are.  Wink
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« Reply #119 on: November 25, 2017, 06:45:39 pm »

I expect there are fraud prevention measures.

Obviously the Rail Delivery Group won't be telling us what they are.  Wink

I am almost into my third year of holding a Senior Git Railcard (I know, I don't look it), and I have been asked to produce it just once.
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