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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2017, 09:27:07 pm »

Back to normal ... and today's normal is:
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Incident created
    31/08/2017 18:49
Last updated
    31/08/2017 19:31
Route affected
      Between London Waterloo and Portsmouth Harbour / Alton / Guildford / Epsom / Woking / Reading / Weymouth / Poole
TOC(s) affected
    South Western Railway; 
Description
    Following a track circuit failure at London Waterloo all lines have now reopened.
    What's Going On:
    Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00.
    What South Western Railway Are Doing About It:
    The signalling problem at London Waterloo has been temporarily fixed to allow trains to run on all lines. Engineers will be applying a permanent fix later today.
    South Western Railway may need to alter some trains but it will now have a minimal affect on the wider service.

The Twitter timeline shows that it only took 10 minutes from problem to all lines open, or rather it looks like platform 8 is not being used. Much the same happened earlier and took longer and led to a couple of trains being part cancelled.

There were also cancellations announced by SWR to SE services, which sounds odd. They are borrowing a platform (21, currently) for a week, accessed via the Nine Elms Flyover, or in other words by playing at being Eurostars.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2017, 01:25:54 pm »


There were also cancellations announced by SWR to SE services, which sounds odd. They are borrowing a platform (21, currently) for a week, accessed via the Nine Elms Flyover, or in other words by playing at being Eurostars.

P21 and P22 was planned for SE.  I think what has been happening is that if disruption to the wider SWR service is forecast, then they are being pre-emptively diverted to Blackfriars. Lose access to a main line (whether DMF, UMF, UMR) in the station throat and the knock on effects ripple across the other 5 lines.

The fact that Blackfriars appears to have spare capacity to take that 2 tph service anyway is intriguing, it is as if the four days planned at Waterloo was only being done to create a precedent for future use?

There seems to be a greater emphasis on normal "run of the mill" random faults at the moment.   AIUI no recent modifications were made to the platform lines on the Windsor side and in the middle of the array of platforms used by main fast trains.  It stands to reason that there will be a minor fault every few days or weeks, it has always been so.

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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2017, 10:32:43 pm »


There were also cancellations announced by SWR to SE services, which sounds odd. They are borrowing a platform (21, currently) for a week, accessed via the Nine Elms Flyover, or in other words by playing at being Eurostars.

P21 and P22 was planned for SE.  I think what has been happening is that if disruption to the wider SWR service is forecast, then they are being pre-emptively diverted to Blackfriars. Lose access to a main line (whether DMF, UMF, UMR) in the station throat and the knock on effects ripple across the other 5 lines.

The fact that Blackfriars appears to have spare capacity to take that 2 tph service anyway is intriguing, it is as if the four days planned at Waterloo was only being done to create a precedent for future use?

There seems to be a greater emphasis on normal "run of the mill" random faults at the moment.   AIUI no recent modifications were made to the platform lines on the Windsor side and in the middle of the array of platforms used by main fast trains.  It stands to reason that there will be a minor fault every few days or weeks, it has always been so.

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There are no long term plans to run SE Trains into Waterloo, once this Christmas is over he temporary electrification infrastructure put in place to enable the use of lindford St curve gets removed; indeed there is no capacity at Waterloo for SE Trains.

The reason it was decided to run SE Trains into Waterloo was for the benefit of passengers from Kent that normally use Waterloo East and Charing Cross.   There is no added capacity at Blackfriars currently a number of services are not running into Blackfriars during the London Bridge rebuild, the same as Thameslink services are not running via London Bridge, in fact the TLP trains via Loughborough Jcn and Herne Hill are taking the paths of the Blackfriars terminators, in the 2018 full opening of London Bridge there will be reinstatement of Blackfriars terminators.
   
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« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2018, 03:06:12 pm »

At the start of this work (and thread) the opening of the revamped international platforms was due this month (NR's web site still says they all will). And yesterday P21-22 did in fact open, though 23-24 are now not due to do so until next May. Given that the extra trains that rely on the extra platforms aren't yet running (and the date of that timetable change, like all of them, has a credibility problem), I guess that rates a small cheroot. 

What can they be still be doing to P23-24, with hardly any possession time? Perhaps not much, but they just put highest priority on opening something on time so this bit is not quite there yet.
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« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2018, 03:25:00 pm »

As you say, they don't really need 23-24 yet, and would probably cost money to staff, clean and maintain those pair of platforms, probably easier to keep it under wraps until they plan on properly using them.
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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2018, 04:33:39 pm »

As you say, they don't really need 23-24 yet, and would probably cost money to staff, clean and maintain those pair of platforms, probably easier to keep it under wraps until they plan on properly using them.
There are suggestions elsewhere that they may well be available in emergency.  They were used during the 2017 blockade, so presumably (hopefully?) the track work and signalling is still functional.

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