Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 04:55 29 Mar 2024
- Bus plunges off South Africa bridge, killing 45
* Easter getaway begins with flood alerts in place
- Easter travel warning as millions set to hit roads
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber
27/09/25 - 200 years of passenger trains

On this day
29th Mar (1913)
Foundation of National Union or Railwaymen (*)

Train RunningCancelled
07:00 Bedwyn to Newbury
07:22 Newbury to Bedwyn
08:13 Newbury to Bedwyn
08:46 Bedwyn to Newbury
09:54 Bedwyn to Newbury
10:22 Newbury to Bedwyn
11:29 Newbury to Bedwyn
11:57 Bedwyn to Newbury
12:52 Bedwyn to Newbury
Short Run
04:54 Plymouth to London Paddington
05:12 Reading to Bedwyn
05:33 Plymouth to London Paddington
05:55 Plymouth to London Paddington
06:00 Bedwyn to London Paddington
06:37 Plymouth to London Paddington
07:03 London Paddington to Paignton
08:35 Plymouth to London Paddington
10:35 London Paddington to Exeter St Davids
Delayed
21:45 Penzance to London Paddington
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance
05:03 Penzance to London Paddington
06:05 Penzance to London Paddington
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington
08:03 London Paddington to Penzance
08:15 Penzance to London Paddington
09:04 London Paddington to Plymouth
09:37 London Paddington to Paignton
10:04 London Paddington to Penzance
11:03 London Paddington to Plymouth
PollsOpen and recent polls
Closed 2024-03-25 Easter Escape - to where?
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
March 29, 2024, 04:59:36 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[98] West Wiltshire Bus Changes April 2024
[97] would you like your own LIVE train station departure board?
[86] Return of the BRUTE?
[74] Infrastructure problems in Thames Valley causing disruption el...
[53] If not HS2 to Manchester, how will traffic be carried?
[23] Reversing Beeching - bring heritage and freight lines into the...
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: 1 ... 45 46 [47] 48 49 ... 63
  Print  
Author Topic: MetroBus  (Read 236514 times)
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5190


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #690 on: November 13, 2018, 12:42:03 »

To try and sort out the road situation - basically Buses vs Cars - in this way could take literally decades to solve, and yet as the city expands further it could potentially always be playing catch up anyway

Buses v cars v pedestrians v cyclists, isn't it?

Planning policy can help - let people live nearer where they work, play and go to school, and they need less transport. Essentially this means building at higher density, something which cities everywhere are doing, but this, as you say, takes decades.

I don't know where Mr Freeman thinks he's going to put his bus lanes though; as far as I can see there aren't many gaps. Come to that, I don't know where Mr Rees thinks he's going to run his almost metro-like white-line-following buses. I can't see any option but to go underground, but there doesn't appear to be the will or wherewithal to do this.

No easy answers to this one.
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
Bmblbzzz
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4256


View Profile
« Reply #691 on: November 13, 2018, 13:12:40 »

It might have occurred to the select committee that the higher than national average bus usage in Bristol is a result of having lower than average local rail options. I hope they are aware of this.
Note it's national average, not average of big cities. I suspect anywhere with a population over say 50,000 will have higher than national average bus usage, simply because so many smaller places no longer have any bus service.
Logged

Waiting at Pilning for the midnight sleeper to Prague.
simonw
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 589


View Profile Email
« Reply #692 on: November 13, 2018, 14:55:27 »

I think Mr Freeman is indirectly hinting that we need to create Bus Lanes by introducing road charging at peak times.
Logged
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5190


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #693 on: November 13, 2018, 17:23:29 »

I think Mr Freeman is indirectly hinting that we need to create Bus Lanes by introducing road charging at peak times.

I can see that road pricing could be used to fund public transport improvements - I just can't see where they'd put new bus lanes.
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
Bmblbzzz
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4256


View Profile
« Reply #694 on: November 14, 2018, 10:33:54 »

Road pricing could be used to give buses priority but it would have to be an extremely sophisticated and sensitive system capable of making minute-by-minute lane-by-lane pricing changes. And even then it implies that the bus could share a lane with anyone willing and capable of paying. Far cheaper and easier to simply extend bus lanes, use filtered permeability and so on. An easy start would be to make the bus lanes we already have more useful for buses, by keeping them clear of parked cars (both legally and illegally parked) and eg giving the bus lane priority over the general traffic lane where the two merge, as well as making bus lanes continuous through junctions. In terms of pricing, a general congestion charge might reduce city centre traffic and speed up bus (and car and lorry, and even pedestrian) journeys, but it wouldn't be a bus priority scheme as such.
Logged

Waiting at Pilning for the midnight sleeper to Prague.
martyjon
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1941


View Profile
« Reply #695 on: November 14, 2018, 10:49:39 »

I see now that you can purchase Airport Flyer tickets, singles or returns from the Metrobust I-Point ticket machines but you are now unable to purchase the West of England Zone day ticket (previously the Bristol Outer Zone day ticket which you could buy) from the same apparatus, you can buy a West of England monthly ticket at a cost of £80 though. I only want a West of England day ticket so do I say to the Metrobust driver the I-point is not working, it won't sell me the ticket I want ?
Logged
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5190


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #696 on: November 14, 2018, 12:02:45 »

Road pricing could be used to give buses priority but it would have to be an extremely sophisticated and sensitive system capable of making minute-by-minute lane-by-lane pricing changes. And even then it implies that the bus could share a lane with anyone willing and capable of paying. Far cheaper and easier to simply extend bus lanes, use filtered permeability and so on. An easy start would be to make the bus lanes we already have more useful for buses, by keeping them clear of parked cars (both legally and illegally parked) and eg giving the bus lane priority over the general traffic lane where the two merge, as well as making bus lanes continuous through junctions. In terms of pricing, a general congestion charge might reduce city centre traffic and speed up bus (and car and lorry, and even pedestrian) journeys, but it wouldn't be a bus priority scheme as such.

I can see that there are places where changes like these would help, but aren't they sticking plasters for a patient who needs multiple stents?
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
metalrail
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 189


View Profile
« Reply #697 on: November 14, 2018, 12:27:53 »

Road pricing could be used to give buses priority but it would have to be an extremely sophisticated and sensitive system capable of making minute-by-minute lane-by-lane pricing changes. And even then it implies that the bus could share a lane with anyone willing and capable of paying. Far cheaper and easier to simply extend bus lanes, use filtered permeability and so on. An easy start would be to make the bus lanes we already have more useful for buses, by keeping them clear of parked cars (both legally and illegally parked) and eg giving the bus lane priority over the general traffic lane where the two merge, as well as making bus lanes continuous through junctions. In terms of pricing, a general congestion charge might reduce city centre traffic and speed up bus (and car and lorry, and even pedestrian) journeys, but it wouldn't be a bus priority scheme as such.

I can see that there are places where changes like these would help, but aren't they sticking plasters for a patient who needs multiple stents?

My point exactly...  we can't just keep going for 'quick fixes' all the time.  The entire Greater Bristol public transport system needs a huge, complete & integrated overhaul.  And pronto, before we end up with permanent gridlock!
Logged

Oh for the day when I can catch a train from Mangotsfield to the Centre, Bath and Yate!  ;-)
Bmblbzzz
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4256


View Profile
« Reply #698 on: November 14, 2018, 12:29:28 »

Road pricing could be used to give buses priority but it would have to be an extremely sophisticated and sensitive system capable of making minute-by-minute lane-by-lane pricing changes. And even then it implies that the bus could share a lane with anyone willing and capable of paying. Far cheaper and easier to simply extend bus lanes, use filtered permeability and so on. An easy start would be to make the bus lanes we already have more useful for buses, by keeping them clear of parked cars (both legally and illegally parked) and eg giving the bus lane priority over the general traffic lane where the two merge, as well as making bus lanes continuous through junctions. In terms of pricing, a general congestion charge might reduce city centre traffic and speed up bus (and car and lorry, and even pedestrian) journeys, but it wouldn't be a bus priority scheme as such.

I can see that there are places where changes like these would help, but aren't they sticking plasters for a patient who needs multiple stents?
Yes of course, if you're referring to alterations to or increases in bus lanes. If you mean some form of road pricing and other measures to reduce the total amount of traffic, then they might be one of a series of stents, both for patient Bus and patient Bristol. Unfortunately I think most of those stents depend on action at national or global level.
Logged

Waiting at Pilning for the midnight sleeper to Prague.
eXPassenger
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 547


View Profile
« Reply #699 on: November 14, 2018, 17:39:35 »

I see that Bristol has committed to going carbon neutral by 2030.  That will require a drastic reduction in cars and substitution of diesel engines for electric.

Looking forward to seeing the detailed (or even summary) plan and not just a council resolution.
Logged
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5190


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #700 on: November 14, 2018, 18:11:07 »

Hmm; 2050 isn't it?

https://news.bristol.gov.uk/news/bristol-leaps-towards-carbon-neutrality
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
eXPassenger
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 547


View Profile
« Reply #701 on: November 14, 2018, 22:28:50 »

The Guardian states 2030 and references the recent report requiring major change within 12 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/14/bristol-plans-to-become-carbon-neutral-by-2030
Logged
Bmblbzzz
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4256


View Profile
« Reply #702 on: November 15, 2018, 09:18:17 »

Well the Graun never makes a mistake so I'm sure it's more correct than the council! But it's not clear from the Gr and even less clear from the council what they mean by "city". If they're just talking about things the city council is directly responsible for, then it's going to take a lot of work but it's probably doable. If they mean the city as a whole, residents, businesses and so on, it's going to need a lot of changes the council can't directly influence, like people changing energy suppliers.
Logged

Waiting at Pilning for the midnight sleeper to Prague.
Red Squirrel
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5190


There are some who call me... Tim


View Profile
« Reply #703 on: November 15, 2018, 09:19:57 »

The Guardian states 2030 and references the recent report requiring major change within 12 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/14/bristol-plans-to-become-carbon-neutral-by-2030


Hmm, interesting! I can find reports of the 2030 figure, but the only thing I can find on the Bristol City Council site is this, which has the 2050 date: https://www.energyservicebristol.co.uk/wp-content/pdf/City_Leap_Prospectus%204-5-18.pdf . But that dates back to May, so it sounds like things have moved on. 2050 does sound hopelessly unambitious; I plan to be thoroughly ensconced in my box by then.
Logged

Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
froome
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 901


View Profile Email
« Reply #704 on: November 15, 2018, 09:24:30 »

The Guardian states 2030 and references the recent report requiring major change within 12 years:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/14/bristol-plans-to-become-carbon-neutral-by-2030


It is now 2030, following this week's council vote, inspired by the recent IPCC report on the impending climate catastrophe. I look forward to seeing other south-western towns following this initiative soon.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: 1 ... 45 46 [47] 48 49 ... 63
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page