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Author Topic: More dangerous overcrowding to the Westcountry  (Read 54044 times)
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« Reply #225 on: August 04, 2020, 08:17:45 pm »


"Recent passenger surveys show that only a very small percentage use the sleeper service. Most passengers would prefer one of our improved faster daytime services.
Others would prefer an at seat sleeping service"

I suspect that the survey has already been done, in secret of course so as to produce the correct result.

We asked 200 Bentley owners around Rock:

"Which do you prefer?
a) A slow overnight sleeper train which is often late or cancelled?
b) A fast daytime ride in one of our new IETs, which could make it from Cornwall* to London in under 3¾ hours?

*From western side of Albert Bridge
If it didn't stop on the way"

I guess there were no questions about catering in this survey?
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« Reply #226 on: August 04, 2020, 09:04:16 pm »

No need, the survey to justify the removal of buffets, and the de facto removal of catering was done years ago.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #227 on: August 04, 2020, 10:46:13 pm »

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« Reply #228 on: August 05, 2020, 01:06:24 pm »

FGW tried dodgy surveys once and got a big slap from Cornwall Council, Cornwall LEP ,  Visit Cornwall, the Bishop of Truro and the rail travelling Cornish public. Don't mess with Kernow!
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« Reply #229 on: August 06, 2020, 05:17:09 pm »

"Which do you prefer?
a) A slow overnight sleeper train which is often late or cancelled?
b) A fast daytime ride in one of our new IETs, which could make it from Cornwall to London in under 3¾ hours

Of course Penzance and Plymouth are different places and two hours apart.  Personally (i.e. an insignificant sample) I would happily catch an early train / late train if I were headed to / from Plymouth, but prefer a sleeper if headed for Penzance.

Breaking all the rules of statistics and logic in a most horrid way, I have added up all the journeys in Cornwall from Main Line stations and imagined the Royal Albert Bridge on the right of this diagram.  My point is that actually only a tiny proportion of traffic going in to Cornwall is going to the far end.  I expect RichardB could give us far better figures - of 100 people on an average train, how many are going to ... Truro, West thereof, etc.



P.S. These diagrams might be far more realistic for lines such as Barnstaple, Exmouth, Newquay and Gunnislake where journeys within the branch are limited in numbers.
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« Reply #230 on: August 07, 2020, 07:46:02 am »

P.S. These diagrams might be far more realistic for lines such as Barnstaple, Exmouth, Newquay and Gunnislake where journeys within the branch are limited in numbers.

Devon branches - diagrams at http://gwr.passenger.chat/23869

Cornwall branches (inc. Gunnislake) - diagrams at http://gwr.passenger.chat/23868

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« Reply #231 on: August 08, 2020, 02:06:58 pm »



Breaking all the rules of statistics and logic in a most horrid way, I have added up all the journeys in Cornwall from Main Line stations and imagined the Royal Albert Bridge on the right of this diagram.  My point is that actually only a tiny proportion of traffic going in to Cornwall is going to the far end.  I expect RichardB could give us far better figures - of 100 people on an average train, how many are going to ... Truro, West thereof, etc.



Absolutely correct. This is why London trains stop at nearly every station in Cornwall and why the feeder branch lines are important. Penzance is not the main destination!
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« Reply #232 on: August 23, 2020, 08:21:10 am »

Has the definition of "Full and standing" changed under Covid. A train was announced into Reading yesterday as "Full and standing". Probably Worcester train about 10:15, I was going in the other direction and not paying full attention.
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« Reply #233 on: August 23, 2020, 08:30:57 am »

Not sure but there were some shortforms from London Paddington yesterday following an early morning fatality in South Wales.
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« Reply #234 on: August 23, 2020, 08:44:03 am »

Has the definition of "Full and standing" changed under Covid.

"Full" may have changed ... don't think that "standing" can be any different.   But I would not be surprised if the term "full and standing" is being (mis)used to indicate a train at or beyond it's socially distanced capacity, knowing that GWR are monitoring against that new "full" limit.
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« Reply #235 on: August 24, 2020, 08:33:51 pm »

FGW tried dodgy surveys once and got a big slap from Cornwall Council, Cornwall LEP ,  Visit Cornwall, the Bishop of Truro and the rail travelling Cornish public. Don't mess with Kernow!

Being bashed by a Bishop is a new twist.
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« Reply #236 on: August 24, 2020, 09:32:32 pm »

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Being bashed by a Bishop is a new twist

Think that might be a comment for another type of forum  Shocked !!
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« Reply #237 on: August 24, 2020, 09:54:47 pm »

Since they four tracked Filton Bank and he “retired” our Tony has had far too much time on his hands.   
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