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Author Topic: Train Operating Companies v Trade Unions dispute - ongoing discussion  (Read 80630 times)
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« Reply #255 on: March 16, 2017, 14:40:31 »

What's the meaning of 'passing' in c) above?

my assumption is that it is travelling to the train you are going to work on another service (which is then delayed).  Differs from clause a) which would be when the OBS is late signing on at the start of their shift. 
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« Reply #256 on: March 16, 2017, 15:16:51 »

Yes, "passing over" as a SWT (South West Trains) Guard explained to me is when they are effectively travelling as a passenger. Can also occur at the end of a shift when travelling back to their home depot.
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« Reply #257 on: March 17, 2017, 09:49:55 »

So, an interesting test and a very clever move by the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers).  They have announced a further strike date for the day after the ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) vote result is announced.  I am sure they will be using this to check whether the new agreement means drivers do not have to drive in the event of strike action, which most commentators believe is the case.

That could be the worst of both worlds for Southern.  Not only do they not run the trains, but they pay the drivers too. In addition, Southern may find that fewer OBSs turn up for work, as their action will actually have an impact.  There's not much point them striking currently as the services run anyway.

 
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« Reply #258 on: April 03, 2017, 21:42:17 »

Déjà vu. The members are revolting. ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) drivers with Southern have rejected the second deal their union bosses agreed with GTR. One wonders how tenable the positions are of the ASLEF top brass when they appear to be so at odds with their membership. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39483106

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« Reply #259 on: April 03, 2017, 22:43:55 »

This time, the margin was very narrow, and ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) are not calling for further strikes. Talks are scheduled. Third time lucky?

Let's face it, ASLEF wouldn't want to call members out on a slim majority of voting members, and the company may find some small concession which may clear the way for an agreement. If only we could have a second try in all political issues.
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« Reply #260 on: April 03, 2017, 22:50:08 »

If only we could have a second try in all political issues.

You'll need to move to Scotland for that.  Wink
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« Reply #261 on: April 03, 2017, 22:58:49 »

If only we could have a second try in all political issues.
You'll need to move to Scotland for that.  Wink

The direction of the vote is more important than the subject or country.

If last June's vote had been "no" by a few percent, the leave faction might have shut up for a year or so but would soon have found some new justification for renewed jumping up and down and clamouring. Conversely but symmetrically, I have never heard of any provision or even expectation in a newly-independent Scotland for a vote to rejoin British union.
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« Reply #262 on: April 04, 2017, 06:35:15 »

http://www.aslef.org.uk/article.php?group_id=5453

Of 953 voting papers sent out, 718 were returned
372 returned papers to vote no (39.0%)
346 returned papers to vote yes (36.3%)
235 papers were not returned (24.7%)
All voting papers returned were valid (no spoiled papers)

I haven't seen any data published with regards the distribution of votes around depots, grades, etc, though I'm sure such data would be useful to all parties as they work forward from the current situation.

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« Reply #263 on: April 04, 2017, 09:34:04 »

If you ignore those not returned, the % for/against exactly mirror, according to the press, the Brexit vote.
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« Reply #264 on: April 04, 2017, 10:41:50 »

If only we could have a second try in all political issues.
You'll need to move to Scotland for that.  Wink

The direction of the vote is more important than the subject or country.

If last June's vote had been "no" by a few percent, the leave faction might have shut up for a year or so but would soon have found some new justification for renewed jumping up and down and clamouring. Conversely but symmetrically, I have never heard of any provision or even expectation in a newly-independent Scotland for a vote to rejoin British union.


"Conversely but symmetrically", the SNP didn't even shut up for 5 minutes after losing the last "once in a generation" referendum and are still jumping up and down despite their being no increase in enthusiasm for another referendum or independence. :-)
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« Reply #265 on: April 04, 2017, 10:52:36 »

No increase? Some polls are showing a decrease, even with Brexit looming.

However, perversely, Labour are about to be routed in their local elections in favour of the SNP.
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« Reply #266 on: May 23, 2017, 18:50:43 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) rail strike suspended after Manchester attack

A strike by rail workers across the country has been called off in light of the Manchester bombing.

Rail, Maritime and Transport Union (RMT) members had planned a 24-hour walkout on Southern, Merseyrail and Northern (Arriva Rail North) on 30 May.

The union's general secretary Mick Cash said: "Our thoughts and solidarity are with the people of Manchester."

Twenty-two people were killed and 59 injured in a suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert on Monday night.

Armed police have arrested a 23-year-old man in Chorlton, south Manchester, in connection with the attack at the city's arena.

Mr Cash said: "In light of the horrific bombing in Manchester last night, and the heightened safety and security alerts on our transport services, RMT's executive has taken the decision to suspend the 24 hours of strike action scheduled for 30th May."

The year-long dispute is over staffing and plans to introduce new driver-operated-only trains.

It would have been the 32nd day of action by Southern workers, after talks between the rail companies and union representatives broke down on 15 May.

A Southern spokesman said: "This is an appropriate response by the RMT to the tragedy in Manchester."


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« Reply #267 on: June 16, 2017, 20:12:11 »

At the Great Western Railway Community Rail conference in Barnstaple today, Mark Hopwood (Managing Director) informed us that agreement has been reached with GWR (Great Western Railway) drivers and conductors.

The train driver will open the doors when the train arrives and stops at a station.  The conductor will thus be able to complete any ticket checking / selling transaction and then commence the dispatch safety procedure, including closing the doors.

This is a win / win, as the driver does not have additional responsibility for dispatch, and the conductor does not have to worry about standing at the appropriate panel to open the doors immediately upon arrival at a station.  Also, the new trains, with far greater flexibility in door opening technology, will mean that the conductor will not have to be at any specific door to enable them to open the appropriate ones, as is the case now.

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« Reply #268 on: June 16, 2017, 20:23:38 »

And he subsequently explained to me that IEPs (Intercity Express Program / Project.) will have each stop on a service programmed into its software, thus the door release at each station will know which coaches to release the doors on, including stations needing SDO (Selective Door Opening)
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« Reply #269 on: June 16, 2017, 20:26:00 »

Thank you for that additional detail, ChrisB.  Smiley

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