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Author Topic: Train overshoots Pewsey station - Driver forgot to stop!  (Read 21726 times)
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2016, 02:39:09 pm »

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 04:04:43 pm »

RTT confirms it: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C41508/2016/12/05/advanced
What is the implication for drivers? Are they given a reprimand if they forget to stop?

It counts as an operational incident and unless it's not their fault (i.e not due to leaf fall, or a diagram error) they will go on a CDP (Competence Development Plan) which involves extra monitoring of them for a defined period.  Should they have a similar incident again within 5 years (also includes other things such as a fail to call, door release on the wrong side etc.), then a longer and more detailed plan would be started and three or more within 5 years and you start getting into safety review meetings and possible removal from driving.

In some circumstances I have heard it can be regarded as a criminal matter, and the consequences can be serious - Go to Jail, do not pass Pewsey, do not collect £200.
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2016, 05:55:19 pm »

A fail to call is very unlikely, in isolation, to be a criminal matter.

Combined with a SPAD, leading to collision, derailment or injury, or other serious safety incident, then more likely for a driver to have his or her collar felt.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2016, 08:58:15 am »

A fail to call is very unlikely, in isolation, to be a criminal matter.

Combined with a SPAD, leading to collision, derailment or injury, or other serious safety incident, then more likely for a driver to have his or her collar felt.

............I wasn't being entirely serious, it wasn't an attempt to monopolise the discussion  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2016, 11:17:53 am »

Just visiting this thread again. I figured there was a chance you were being light hearted.  Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2016, 11:38:55 am »

I'm hearing that the driver of the second incident didn't even brake....sailed straight through
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2016, 11:51:46 am »

I'm hearing that the driver of the second incident didn't even brake....sailed straight through

There's two classifications for not stopping at a booked station.  A 'station overrun', where a braking attempt has been made, and a 'fail to call' where no braking attempt was made.  The numbers of instances of each type are pretty similar to each other.  A 'fail to call' or 'station overrun' could be caused by similar reasons such as the driver forgetting he was supposed to stop at that station, but a 'station overrun' could also be due to slippery conditions and a 'fail to call' due to an error on the printed diagram the driver works to.  Both are treated in exactly the same way in terms of seriousness.

So, in the case of approaching Pewsey at speed, it might be that upon sighting it the driver realises they're supposed to call (cue an expletive) and applies the emergency brake but not quite in time.  Or it might be that as he/she passes the station he/she realises they were supposed to call, but it's far too late so there's no point in trying to stop.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2016, 12:03:44 pm »

And the instructions for a Fail to call? Presumably to stop at the next station, whetgher or not scheduled to call?
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2016, 12:21:01 pm »

Most likely to stop at the next station, yes, but it can depend on the location and the train in question, and also when (as the driver) you've realised your error.  For example, if you were on a HST heading to London and missed Castle Cary then it would usually be best to continue to Westbury rather than stop at Bruton.  Basically you would report it and follow the instructions of Control and/or the Signaller.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2016, 01:27:12 pm »

Most likely to stop at the next station, yes, but it can depend on the location and the train in question, and also when (as the driver) you've realised your error.  For example, if you were on a HST heading to London and missed Castle Cary then it would usually be best to continue to Westbury rather than stop at Bruton.  Basically you would report it and follow the instructions of Control and/or the Signaller.

Would the driver expect to be relieved from duty as per with a SPAD? I would imagine the realisation of forgetting to stop somewhere or overshooting in slippery conditions could have quite an adverse effect on your concentration and/or general stress levels.
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2016, 02:31:33 pm »

It depends on the circumstances.  A driver with a clean record not on a development plan doing a minor overshoot at a small station where part of the train is still platformed might be deemed OK to continue until the end of the shift.  Anyone with 'previous' would probably be relieved of their duties.  Also, the driver themselves would be free to deem themselves unfit to continue.
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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2016, 06:38:56 pm »

From Deadline News:

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UNDER fire ScotRail have reached "a new low" after making the incredible admission that a train was cancelled because the driver "forgot" to stop.

The beleaguered firm have launched an investigation after Friday’s 13.00 from Glasgow Queen Street to Edinburgh failed to stop at Croy, North Lanarkshire.

A furious passenger asked ScotRail why his train had been cancelled and received the astonishing admission that the driver "forgot" to stop.

The Scottish Conservatives said the incident was further evidence the government needed to sort out its train "fiasco".

Croy's another one of those stations where some services are booked to call and others on the same route and driven from the same pool aren't ...

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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2016, 07:55:02 pm »

Most likely to stop at the next station, yes, but it can depend on the location and the train in question, and also when (as the driver) you've realised your error.  For example, if you were on a HST heading to London and missed Castle Cary then it would usually be best to continue to Westbury rather than stop at Bruton.  Basically you would report it and follow the instructions of Control and/or the Signaller.
And if the pattern was fast from Castle Cary to Reading, what then? Bruton, Pewsey, Newbury or Reading? Or would he stop somewhere between Bruton and Fairwood, and ask to be put in to Westbury? I guess in practice that Cary would have alerted Control who make the decision for him.
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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2016, 08:02:57 pm »

In that case I would imagine a special stop at Westbury would probably be arranged.
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2016, 03:29:38 pm »

Apparently a XC Voyager was caught on Dawlish Beach cam overshooting Dawlish today. After a few minutes the train reversed back into Dawlish. I'm guessing this is the one: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P30969/2016/12/22/advanced
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