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Author Topic: ScotRail's plans for their HSTs.  (Read 9780 times)
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« on: November 16, 2016, 03:17:49 pm »

Internal documents showing plans for ScotRail's acquisition, conversion work and refurbishment of the 54 power cars and 121 Mk3s they are acquiring from Angel Trains, via cascade from GWR, have been leaked online. 

I'll not copy verbatim what has been leaked, but will point anyone who is interested to the following link:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2772989&postcount=1

Interesting reading. Interesting plans.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 04:27:53 pm »

Just makes me wonder why GWR spent the money to revamp the interiors of all the 1st class and outside of of a couple of sets knowing they would be gone within a couple of years...
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 05:06:45 pm »

At least Scotrail are keeping the first class interiors, whereas we will be getting by all accounts a much more spartan standard of accommodation.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 06:16:53 pm »

There is a suggestion in that thread that the HSTs in Scotland will run with only the rear power car in use.  I'm not sure how well this is going to work for Druimuachdar and Slochd.  I wonder if this will be an option for GWR services (although not over the Devon banks).
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 08:23:53 pm »

What are 'Grammer' seats? I don't think I've seen that term on this forum
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2016, 08:26:05 pm »

Details are here, on the internet.  Wink Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2016, 08:33:12 pm »

So which GWR stock has these? The photos are rather minute!
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2016, 08:45:08 pm »

So which GWR stock has these? The photos are rather minute!

Clcik on the blue "seat name" and it takes to a page dedicated to that seat and a bigger image. I don't recognise none of them!
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2016, 08:52:35 pm »

I believe, but am not 100% certain, that the current Standard Class seating in GWR HSTs are ones made by Grammer. Being nearly a decade old they are not a current 'off the shelf' product. They may even have been a one off order for FGW.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2016, 08:53:33 pm »

So which GWR stock has these? The photos are rather minute!
I think they are the current seats in standard in the GWR HSTs - could be wrong though.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2016, 09:19:54 pm »

I believe, but am not 100% certain, that the current Standard Class seating in GWR HSTs are ones made by Grammer. Being nearly a decade old they are not a current 'off the shelf' product. They may even have been a one off order for FGW.
I don't think the First Great Western IC125 standard class seating was a one-off; the seats on ATW class 158 units are very similar, you can even see where the FirstGroup F logo on the seat back would go (on the ATW units it is just a blank circle).I think the headrest might be a slightly different shape though. They may not be identical, but they certainly look very similar to each other. They also look similar to some of the products in this grammer brochure, which I found by following the link helpfully posted above by somebody. I think the IC3000 (2nd class) in that brochure looks the most like the FirstGWR/ATW seats, but I may be wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2016, 09:30:36 pm »

... which I found by following the link helpfully posted above by somebody.

Erm, that'll be me, I think.  Tongue Wink Cheesy Grin

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2016, 11:20:02 pm »

At least Scotrail are keeping the first class interiors, whereas we will be getting by all accounts a much more spartan standard of accommodation.
Yeah that sucks but at least those lovely leather seats are going to be used. I'd like to meet the person who chose the new seats and in particular the position of the power sockets in the new Class 800/1/2 etc. 1st class. It may be a Fainsa standard location for power but it's not very clever whoever picked it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2016, 11:58:49 pm »

So which GWR stock has these? The photos are rather minute!

None as far as I can tell, but the link in BNM's original post states that they are the same as the seats fitted to ScotRails Inverness based class 158 fleet.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 08:28:49 am »

I thought I read in thaty thread that they were saying GWR had them too?
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