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« on: February 13, 2017, 20:35:46 » |
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Just heard from a friend who is travelling on the 17.03 Paddington to Penzance train this evening that it has had to be terminated at Newton Abbot after the drivers cab windscreen was smashed by a stone after the train was hit by a large wave at Dawlish. Surely this must raise some health and safety issues as to why this very exposed line remains open to trains that are effectively being allowed to "run the gauntlet" there in severe weather especially when the nearby sea front road in Torquay is routinely closed in such circumstances. for that reason.
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John R
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 22:24:17 » |
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Still seems to be running through to Penzance, albeit nearly an hour late. I'd agree though that things gradually appear to be deteriorating through Dawlish. I guess a couple of mm sea rise a year doesn't sound much but over the years is maybe starting to become noticeable in its effects.
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woody
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 07:19:37 » |
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The 17.03 Paddington to Penzance HST▸ WAS terminated at Newton Abbot but was restarted from there using a following empty stock Laira bound HST in its booked path on to Penzance .using the same headcode.
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bobm
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 13:17:40 » |
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A second train - a unit travelling from Paignton to Exmouth - also suffered a broken window a short time later.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 18:39:52 » |
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I can see GWR▸ not running through in light of these instances. The health & safety of train crew & passengers must come first.
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8 Billion people on a wet rock - of course we're not happy
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 22:31:01 » |
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A contact who lives in Dawlish advises that the sea was 'roaring' all night and on inspection on Tuesday morning on the sea wall west of Dawlish stn there was a
large amount of debris and many really large pebbles.
Clearly a review seems prudent of acceptable sea conditions that allow trains to continue to run along this fragile stretch of railway in times of adverse weather conditions.
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JayMac
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 23:10:54 » |
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Dawlish Avoiding Line, Now!
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"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
- Sir Terry Pratchett.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 11:06:14 » |
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Or get going with Bere Alston to Okehampton whilst they argue about the avoiding line.
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John R
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 11:54:35 » |
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Having seen the drivers eye video of the train running along the wall and being bombarded with waves, two things come to mind. Why isn't wrong line working put in place, as I understand it is in place there precisely because of the sea wall, and secondly should not speed be reduced, to reduce the severity of any impact. I appreciate it would reduce capacity, although if XC▸ isn't running, maybe that would be manageable.
Perhaps the next XC franchise should include provision of rolling stock that can cope with the conditions there, as each passing year will mean that the number of occasions when Voyagers won't be able to run will increase, and the window of each stoppage will also gradually increase.
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ChrisB
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 11:56:52 » |
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That will come when they need to replace the Voyagers
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 12:17:54 » |
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Should just take the Indian approach and install a nice hefty steel grill over the windscreen! Problem solved!  |
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 12:26:47 » |
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Dawlish Avoiding Line, Now!
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 12:42:51 » |
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How about installing a clear plastic tunnel over the tracks so that any waves that came over the wall hit that instead (and crashed over if necessary, though I suspect they wouldn't in most cases). It should be feasible to install something rigid enough to withstand waves and stones but allowed clear sightlines.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 13:26:13 » |
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I remember (it wasn't that long ago!) that one one of the first runs of the HST▸ on the East Coast Main Line the train's windscreen was starred by what was thought to be a chunk of ballast thrown up by a train passing in the opposite direction. It was reported then that the front of the HST, both window and cab moulding, was designed to resist penetration by a brake block coming loose from a passing train. This was quite an improvement over the situation up to then.
So although windscreens may be 'broken' it would need quite a large stone or rock to 'penetrate' the windscreen.
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bobm
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2017, 13:30:25 » |
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Why isn't wrong line working put in place, as I understand it is in place there precisely because of the sea wall, The use of the up line for all trains - the one furthest from the sea - was put in place on Monday evening but it is worth noting the second train to be struck - a Paignton to Exmouth service - was running on that line in any event. |
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