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Author Topic: First / MTR win South Western franchise 2017 - 2024, and CMA raises competition concerns (merged topic)  (Read 38291 times)
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2017, 11:09:42 am »


GWR MTR offering improved commuting at Exeter end, presumably linked to Devon Metro

However remember GWR franchise expires 2019, I believe

http://www.firstgroupplc.com/about-firstgroup/uk-rail/improving-south-western-railway.aspx
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2017, 11:13:24 am »

It'll be good to see Platforms 4-6 at Reading being used to their full potential with up to seven trains departing from them per hour (comprising four Waterloo and three Redhill/Gatwicks), up from the current four.  Though that'll be a strain on the flat junction at Wokingham!
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2017, 11:21:55 am »


GWR MTR offering improved commuting at Exeter end, presumably linked to Devon Metro

However remember GWR franchise expires 2019, I believe

http://www.firstgroupplc.com/about-firstgroup/uk-rail/improving-south-western-railway.aspx

Is GWR MTR a typo, or did I miss something?

This has clearly been under planning for some time. The link to the Devon Metro is interesting, as that will hopefully be beefed up soon with cascaded stock. Also of interest to me (as I use it from time to time) is the Bristol Temple Meads to London Waterloo service. That will now follow routes used by First GWR. Is that likely to make for any changes?
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2017, 11:23:51 am »

I wonder how the news will be met in South Hampshire?  Wink

For those newer to the forum, BNM is referring to the wonderful South Hampsire Rail Users' Group (SHRUG) who have been vehemently criticising everything SWT have done for many years now, whilst seemingly pretending nothing good every happens and that neighbouring franchises Southern and GWR can do little wrong!

Occasional discussions on the forum, including contributions from SHRUG 'Organiser' Denis Fryer, can be viewed here:  http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=4949.0

They only have three options on where to go from here:  1)  They will quietly disband as there's no longer an agenda for them to pursue, 2) They will continue to exist only to pretend that many of the wrongs are now righted, 3) They will become a serious RUG which will promote both the good things and campaign against the bad things, or 4) They will continue with their extremely critical views on the new franchise holder.

My money would not be on option 4.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2017, 11:28:36 am »

Less shockingly, it reports that RMT is against the move.

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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2017, 11:31:31 am »

Shouldn't that be DOO-DOO ??
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2017, 11:49:27 am »

The Evening Standard views this as a "shock" announcement, although it doesn't say why.

Poor journalism again - First are majority holders in this, so why say a take-over by the minority-holder??? very odd, because it isn't.

They seem to get it right in a foll up article on pax reactions
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2017, 12:12:45 pm »

That follow up seems to have been done by today's usual standard (small "s") method of reading Twitter. Some of the reactions are amusing:

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Praise Jesus, whoever wins new franchise must be able to provide a better service right?
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Can't say I'll be sad to see the back of South West Trains, peak time services to/from London truly are abysmal & only getting worse
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How is it South West Trains - which are quite good compared to Southern and Southeastern loose the franchise but Southern is STILL here?
- @BoroughOfTevan may not know the difference between "loose" and "lose", but the question is understandable.

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Have you ever been on Chinese train? Efficient. On time. Cost effective. South West trains are about to become a treat compared to Southern
seems a little extreme in terms of optimism, but @Liam_Evans is hopeful.

Others find it disgusting that we are letting a foreign company run trains, and @Kristin1406 says:

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Ah! Now we've sold South West trains to China. Power Stations, airports and now trains ALL in 6mths. What will be UK owned after #Article50

Time will tell.
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2017, 12:16:02 pm »

Gone by 2018 will be 3+2 seating on Portsmouth Direct Line services.

It actually only says "fast services" will switch to 2+2.   SWT could probably just about do that now if they adjusted the specific 444 and 450 operated diagrams, but the fast trains need the highest capacity.

But all in all there's some significant changes.   Squeezing in an extra fast Portsmouth to Southampton service will take much of the load off the Cardiffs, and something is going to operate from Portsmouth to Weymouth - I'd expect some major changes to the overall pattern, because I don't believe 3 tph all the way to Weymouth is needed all day...

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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2017, 12:20:00 pm »

It'll be good to see Platforms 4-6 at Reading being used to their full potential with up to seven trains departing from them per hour (comprising four Waterloo and three Redhill/Gatwicks), up from the current four.  Though that'll be a strain on the flat junction at Wokingham!

In the days of slam door stock (hence longer dwell times) I am sure there used to be four London Waterloo services an hour - two running fast to Wokingham and two calling all stations.   There was certainly one North Downs service an hour as well - so that was five an hour and there were only two platforms at Reading (the old 4A and 4B).
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2017, 12:28:53 pm »

Yes, early 2000s I think (when I was commuting to Wokingham).
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2017, 12:47:30 pm »


In the days of slam door stock (hence longer dwell times) I am sure there used to be four London Waterloo services an hour - two running fast to Wokingham and two calling all stations.   There was certainly one North Downs service an hour as well - so that was five an hour and there were only two platforms at Reading (the old 4A and 4B).

There were four Waterloo up until the 2004 major re-write. But 2 of the Reading trains were a bit slower as they ran via the Hounslow loop, in 2004 they were diverted away from the Reading line to provide the present 2 tph Weybridge through service.

Prior to that change Weybridge to Virginia Water (and on to reversal at Staines) was served by a single service per hour.

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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2017, 01:03:39 pm »

Are you sure the service ran fast to Wokingham I thought Staines was the furthest non stop and then only in the peaks.

Wouldn't have thought there was enough trade even in the peaks to miss  Egham Ascot Martins Heron or Bracknell.

In the real old days the Windsors split at Staines for Weybridge and the Readings at Ascot for Aldershot reverse for Guildford?
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2017, 01:51:22 pm »

Fast from Reading to Wokingham, not from Waterloo to Wokingham!
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2017, 02:22:13 pm »

Also of interest to me (as I use it from time to time) is the Bristol Temple Meads to London Waterloo service. That will now follow routes used by First GWR. Is that likely to make for any changes?

That will rather depend on the Service Level Commitment. Hopefully the status quo at least will be maintained with 3 services in each direction between Bristol TM and Waterloo.
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