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Author Topic: First / MTR win South Western franchise 2017 - 2024, and CMA raises competition concerns (merged topic)  (Read 87339 times)
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« Reply #180 on: July 11, 2017, 15:52:31 »

The source document can be found at:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/london-to-exeter-rail-passengers-protected-by-cma
Note 2 relates to what you have already said.
CMA will announce their preliminary decision by 25 July.
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« Reply #181 on: July 11, 2017, 19:50:02 »

The Competition and Markets Authority is looking at the South Western franchise award. But only the services from London to Exeter. With First Group having control of both routes the CMA has concerns that there could be reduced competition, leading to higher fares or worse service for passengers.

There are no CMA concerns elsewhere across the two franchises.

http://www.cityam.com/268205/firstgroup-and-mtr-facing-investigation-competition
 
Any problems will be shortlived though. First won't win Greater Western again. My belief.
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« Reply #182 on: July 11, 2017, 20:13:50 »


 
Any problems will be shortlived though. First won't win Greater Western again. My belief.

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« Reply #183 on: July 11, 2017, 21:12:09 »

Thirded....the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) are moving them around is my opinion
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« Reply #184 on: July 11, 2017, 21:22:31 »

Thirded....the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) are moving them around is my opinion

It certainly seems that way. There is a government / civil service mindset for mixing things up whenever people get used to them.
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« Reply #185 on: July 11, 2017, 21:25:14 »

Anyone care to stick their neck out and say who will win it then?
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« Reply #186 on: July 11, 2017, 21:31:44 »

Anyone care to stick their neck out and say who will win it then?
Stagecoach...... Roll Eyes Tongue
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« Reply #187 on: July 11, 2017, 21:38:23 »

Serco, with a foreign rail concern.
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« Reply #188 on: July 12, 2017, 08:50:54 »

Way out idea what about Direct Rail Services if Corbyn is PM?
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« Reply #189 on: July 12, 2017, 08:53:38 »

Corbyn as PM or DRS (Direct Rail Services Ltd) services? :-)
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« Reply #190 on: July 12, 2017, 09:24:08 »

I'm of the believe the railway are not competing with each other.
Is it really a competing route?
To me natex and megabus are the competition.
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« Reply #191 on: July 12, 2017, 10:41:51 »

hmmm. I'd never sit on a coach for that distance/time.
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« Reply #192 on: July 12, 2017, 11:13:48 »

This really is a non-issue and headlines such as in the Standard stating the franchise change has been halted are a result of extremely bad journalism.  All that has happened is that the CMA has said they have a concern on fares to Exeter, and given First Group 5 days to come up with proposals to allay those concerns. All First has to do is give an assurance that it will not increase fares on the Waterloo line unduly, which they will be more than happy to do. As already noted, regulated fares are fixed anyway.  First will have anticipated this, and already have its response ready.

The only thing I would want is a guarantee that the Network Card continues to be valid to Exeter.

The bizarre thing about the CMA process is that it doesn't (or realistically, can't) have any concern on the 99% of the two operator routes, where there is already no competition (as on the majority of the railway).
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« Reply #193 on: July 12, 2017, 12:41:50 »

Way out idea what about Direct Rail Services if Corbyn is PM?

IIRC (if I recall/remember/read correctly), under British Railways, the Southern Region operated WAT-EXD» (Exeter St Davids - next trains) (and beyond) services whilst the Western Region looked after PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains)-EXD (and beyond). Then, in the mid-60s, the WR took over the Waterloo route and decided that only one major route to the Westcountry was required. So, a nationalised railway may not necessarily be good for competing routes (not that I agree with the current privatised structure).
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« Reply #194 on: July 12, 2017, 14:01:40 »

Anyone care to stick their neck out and say who will win it then?
Stagecoach...... Roll Eyes Tongue

Serco, with a foreign rail concern.

Way out idea what about Direct Rail Services if Corbyn is PM?

Well, we'll see in a couple of years if any of you were right.  For my money First will keep it.  Wink
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