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Author Topic: When is a national condition of travel not national?  (Read 1273 times)
grahame
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« on: April 07, 2017, 06:19:03 AM »

National Conditions of Travel:  http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/Conditions%20of%20Travel%202016.pdf

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24.1 You may take up to two dogs or other small domestic animals free of charge with you unless a Train Company has set out any special conditions relating to their own train services. In such cases these conditions will be made available when buying your Ticket in advance, and will be shown on the Train Company’s website.

South Eastern Railway - "Your rights when travelling with us"
https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/about-us/our-policies

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Pet policy

You can travel on Southeastern services with a maximum of two small dogs on a lead or other small domestic animals free of charge. For each additional animal, a fee of half the adult fare of your ticket will be charged - up to a maximum of £5 for a single, and £10 for a return.
 
Pets other than dogs  must be carried in a fully enclosed basket or pet carrier with dimensions not exceeding 85 x 60 x 60 cm and cannot be taken out of their basket or carrier. If your pet causes a nuisance, inconvenience or a safety hazard to other passengers you may be politely asked to remove your pet from the train or station property.
 
Dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive, such as Greyhound, must wear a muzzle at all times during your journey and at stations.

Huh??

You can travel nationally with up to two dogs ... but only two SMALL dogs on South Eastern?   And who is their expert who has laid down that the greyhound (of all breeds!) is "potentially aggressive".  I'm not in favour of BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) in general, and am open mouthed in amazement at the greyhound - of all breeds - being singled out.



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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 06:53:38 AM »

I could understand a Pit Bull Whippit but a greyhound !!...
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2017, 08:35:51 AM »

I could understand a Pit Bull Whippit but a greyhound !!...

You'll see many pictures of muzzled greyhounds, but that's done when racing (or they are running around on what we call their "zooms") to avoid them hurting themselves if they run into something. Greyhound racing, alas stretches the dogs to their limits and all too often beyond and muzzles offer an element of protection to one part of the body.   In the past, an assumption has been made by people that the dogs are muzzled because they're aggressing - WRONG - you are 50 times more likely to be attacked by a labrador than by a greyhound - https://petolog.com/articles/dogs-attack-statistics.html


The South Eastern rule talks about aggressive dogs not dangerous ones.  Take a look ((here)) at a list of the 10 most aggressive breeds.   You may be surprised if you don't already know!
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2017, 09:00:21 AM »

I was under the impression that greyhounds, particularly those which had been raced, were often muzzled as if let off the lead had a very very strong instinct to chase (and inevitably catch) small furry things? Am I misinformed?

We have a cocker spaniel and she was playing with a greyhound on the beach one time - ours was running flat out but the greyhound was easily outpacing her and clearly just cruising along. Such graceful beasties at speed and very very quick when they feel the need, although probably without the endurance of a gundog 🙂

I'd be wary of those statistics, although Labradors may be responsible for more attacks than greyhounds, there are many many more of the former (most popular dog breed in both US & UK IIRC) and as far as I can see, those numbers are just simple totals and not the number of attacks per dog, which I suspect for labs would be around the level of greyhounds. Very few inherently aggressive dog breeds, most often it is bad training that installs poor social behaviours.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 09:18:40 AM »

Chrisr_75, my friends rescued ex racers whilst being the nicest softest dogs I've ever met, have been known to catch small animals. They now get muzzled to protect the little animals. Particular favourites were rabbits and squirrel.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 01:47:23 PM »

Chrisr_75, my friends rescued ex racers whilst being the nicest softest dogs I've ever met, have been known to catch small animals. They now get muzzled to protect the little animals. Particular favourites were rabbits and squirrel.

Thanks, it's not just me making it up then!
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 02:26:53 PM »

Where is the definition of 'small' in there?

Unenforcable, frankly.

And, 'potentially agressive'? I'd like to see a muzzle that'd fit the dogs listed!
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2017, 03:13:40 PM »

They now get muzzled to protect the little animals. Particular favourites were rabbits and squirrel.

Hmm.  Certain members of the Coffee Shop forum may well be rather relieved to read that.  Wink Cheesy Grin

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 02:07:08 PM »

Dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive, such as Greyhound, must wear a muzzle at all times during your journey and at stations.

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surely that is just a mistake.

But in any case the whole Set of SE rules would appear unenforceable because it isn't "made available" when purchasing your ticket. 

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