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Author Topic: Cutdown 125's to operate Penzance to Plymouth clockface service  (Read 27529 times)
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« on: June 01, 2017, 09:52:59 pm »

Interesting item buried in the Hitachi Stock article in Cornish Newspapers this week

From December 2018 GWR will lay on two trains an hour from Penzance to Plymouth, using cut-down and refurbished old HST trains, which are being replaced by the new Hitachi units.

The more frequent service will require signalling improvements in Cornwall to reduce delays.

The new four-carriage trains are being having their slam doors replaced by modern sliding doors. The first of these is in the works already.

Eventually, it is understood, GWR will extend this service to Exeter. The company is working with Cornwall Council and Network Rail, and council chiefs hope for a "clockface" timetable, in which trains will run throughout the day at the same times past the hour.


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http://www.cornwalllive.com/xxnew-trainsxx/story-30362217-detail/story.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 11:19:36 pm »

11 HST sets with 4 passenger carriages. To replace some units in Devon/Cornwall and between Cardiff and Taunton

The first cut down set, with power door and retention toilets, is due to begin operating passenger services later in the summer. I've heard between Cardiff and Taunton, but could be in Devon/Cornwall. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 03:04:24 am »

Not actually new news though?

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 03:42:34 am »

To some of us, no. But not everyone on this forum, or in the wider world, keeps up with the minutiae of rolling stock developments. To the OP, and readers of the Cornwall Live website (and its associated print media), this may well be new news.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 08:27:16 am »

11 HST sets with 4 passenger carriages. To replace some units in Devon/Cornwall and between Cardiff and Taunton

The first cut down set, with power door and retention toilets, is due to begin operating passenger services later in the summer. I've heard between Cardiff and Taunton, but could be in Devon/Cornwall. 

The first set is planned for the 0600 Penzance to Cardiff starting mid July if everything is to plan.
I understand all of the green powercars have had the wiring upgrades
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 08:40:37 am »

It just goes to show what a great train the HST really is that it will continue in service for years to come both in the West Country and Scotland. Who knows where next? I don't see many being scrapped anytime soon.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 08:55:43 am »

They've already earned the nickname "Pocket Rockets"
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 11:38:42 am »

First time I've heard of 'Pocket Rocket' being used. The nickname I've noticed more is 'HST GTi'!  Cheesy

Those who have parted with their money for a Guide to Services book (5 from main GWR stations  Wink ) will already be able to see the diagrams the first GTi set will be working. For everyone else...

From 11 September 2017

Mondays to Fridays

0600 Penzance to Exeter St Davids (not Cardiff Central. A service from St James' Park to Cardiff Central will run in its place)
1017 Exeter St Davids to Penzance
1345 Penzance to Plymouth
1557 Plymouth to Penzance
1916 Penzance to Plymouth
2242 Plymouth to Penzance (Mondays to Thursdays only. HST from PAD runs in its place on Fridays)

Sundays

1943 Plymouth to Penzance
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 11:57:37 am »

Must do the 1217 Exeter to Penzance if it gets into Penzance in time to form the 1345 back to Plymouth.
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 12:40:29 pm »

My mistake. Was meant to be 1017! Have edited it to avoid confusion.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 12:48:15 pm »

Are you going to need a bicycle reservation to use this service? (That's if you have a bicycle, obviously!)
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 01:05:05 pm »

If GWR are converting some HSTs for shorter journeys, could I suggest a new route from Taunton, Bristol TM, Bristol, PW, Cheltenham and Worcester? The number of times I have to stand on parts of this journey because Cross Country trains do not have enough capacity
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 02:14:02 pm »

If GWR are converting some HSTs for shorter journeys, could I suggest a new route from Taunton, Bristol TM, Bristol, PW, Cheltenham and Worcester? The number of times I have to stand on parts of this journey because Cross Country trains do not have enough capacity
The conversion is to meet the requirements for capacity on current routes, it doesn't allow for new routes.  I also believe it is not a permanent addition to the fleet, once the DMU cascade is complete they'll go.

There are already plans to adjust capacity on the XC route.  XC will be running 2 tph by extending from Bristol to Exeter on the opposite half hour to now, and the gaps in the XC extensions south of Exeter (i.e. to Paignton) are intended to be filled (eventually) by additional GW services.

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 02:18:18 pm »

They'll certainly move on from Devon/Cornwall.

If they're being upgraded with sliding doors, retention toilets (including an accessible toilet), they certainly won't be scrapped though. Any info out there yet as to where they might be going to/leased to?
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2017, 02:42:48 pm »

Regarding Graham's question on cycle reservations...they will not carry reservations and as such will be unable to book. These will have the same conditions as units currently do where it's simply first come, first served.
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