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Author Topic: Cutdown 125's to operate PZ - PLY clockface service  (Read 4085 times)
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« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2017, 01:34:09 PM »

yes, he said they'd get them "eventually"
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« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2017, 02:00:27 PM »

Scotrail have had a contract for a while with the RoSCOs that own the HSTs to take them on / over.  It would be a pretty costly exercise to breach said contract, so that's the first call on HSTs as their released, and indeed if the release isn't fast enough to meet the contract as IEP replacements take over, some duties may be taken over by turbos. Which of course means that those turbos aren't (yet) available for the West fleet.

Perhaps the "not happening" post that caused a bit of a shake was short formed (2 words rather than 3) and should have read "not happening yet"?
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« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2017, 02:03:27 PM »

Quite possibly.

Bear in mind that these short HSTs are to be used in Cornwall to provide the clockface 2tph service. I don't think said turbos could fill in the gaps though, should they not arrive in time?
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« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2017, 02:35:43 PM »

Quite possibly.

Bear in mind that these short HSTs are to be used in Cornwall to provide the clockface 2tph service. I don't think said turbos could fill in the gaps though, should they not arrive in time?

Wasn't suggesting Turbos that far west.   Turbos that are due into Bristol area may end up temporarily running ex-HST diagrams in the Thames Valley, to the detriment (for a while) of Bristol area increased capacity, and to the detriment (for a while) of releases from Bristol to further west.   Apparently telling the Scots to be patient and we're all a bit delayed isn't considered to be a viable option as they have a pretty strong contract for the ex-GWR HST at a point after the date that GWR thought they wouldn't need them any more, but before the date they actually don't need them any more.
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« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2017, 02:42:06 PM »

Have to hope too that the IEP introduction into public service goes smoothly - any glitches on that would be very awkward all round.
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« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2017, 02:48:12 PM »

Wasn't suggesting Turbos that far west.   Turbos that are due into Bristol area may end up temporarily running ex-HST diagrams in the Thames Valley, to the detriment (for a while) of Bristol area increased capacity, and to the detriment (for a while) of releases from Bristol to further west.   Apparently telling the Scots to be patient and we're all a bit delayed isn't considered to be a viable option as they have a pretty strong contract for the ex-GWR HST at a point after the date that GWR thought they wouldn't need them any more, but before the date they actually don't need them any more.

Oh, ok, you were referring to the current HSTs?, rather than the cut down ones we were discussing?

Indeed, a possibility - these current HSTs will be going to Doncaster as projected to provide the cut-downs for Scotrail, but whether the IEPs that are going to be replacing them are delayed - there's no indication yet, is there?

I also think that the OP left out a word from the alarming 'news' too....."yet"
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« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2017, 06:53:13 PM »

Quite possibly.

Bear in mind that these short HSTs are to be used in Cornwall to provide the clockface 2tph service. I don't think said turbos could fill in the gaps though, should they not arrive in time?

Wasn't suggesting Turbos that far west.   Turbos that are due into Bristol area may end up temporarily running ex-HST diagrams in the Thames Valley, to the detriment (for a while) of Bristol area increased capacity, and to the detriment (for a while) of releases from Bristol to further west.   Apparently telling the Scots to be patient and we're all a bit delayed isn't considered to be a viable option as they have a pretty strong contract for the ex-GWR HST at a point after the date that GWR thought they wouldn't need them any more, but before the date they actually don't need them any more.
At least its in true railway tradition and running late!
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« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2017, 07:13:21 PM »

Have to hope too that the IEP introduction into public service goes smoothly - any glitches on that would be very awkward all round.
There are already 'glitches' with the IEP trains apparently; another topic on this forum has been discussing electrical interference issues with the IEP trains. We'll just have to hope they get the glitches sorted in time for introduction of sufficient new units in time to release the IC125s that have to go.
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« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2017, 08:20:41 PM »

That's infrastructure, not an 80x problem...these could run on bi-mode where the wires are late to release the HSTs on time
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« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2017, 10:15:07 AM »

That's infrastructure, not an 80x problem...these could run on bi-mode where the wires are late to release the HSTs on time
How is it infrastructure when the GWR Electrostars are running fine without said interference issues? Where there are no wires that is Network Rail's problem, but the Reading-Didcot stretch has wires that apparently Electrostars can use without problems but 800s cannot. That's just what I've read on forums but if true I can't see how the interference issues experienced when an 800 uses the OHLE are Network Rail's problem. Also from the forums, it sounds like the Reading-Didcot OHLE is needed for the 800s to keep time, if they run on diesel they will not run on time (but that might be without the engines increased to class 802 power output, I'm not sure).
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« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2017, 09:11:46 PM »

your last sentence is correct, so keep your fingers crossed that the DfT will pick up the unmuzzled cost....

If unmuzzled, my point stands....they could run on diesel if interference remains a problem over a section. But yes, ideally it needs fixing - and you may have a point over infrastructure/80x problem. We'll need to await the diagnosis
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« Reply #71 on: September 30, 2017, 01:18:25 PM »

A Penzance based Driver (I believe thatís his role) has posted on the Cornish railways group on Facebook, that the first cut down hst will be in service in November and for diagramming will be designated class 255
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