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Author Topic: Severn Beach Line; trains, performance, tickets and usage  (Read 43628 times)
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« Reply #210 on: February 12, 2020, 09:17:35 am »


What SCRP don't say is that revenue collection is at times very poor. How many journeys go uncounted because of this is open to conjecture, but in my estimation it must be a significant number.


Any regular user of the Severn Riviera Express (and I count myself as one) will know that it is a significant number.  I'll carry out bit of unscientific research later today as I'm having a quick pootle to town (Redland to Temple Meads and back) and I'll post on this thread if I see any missed revenue in my carriage.
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« Reply #211 on: February 12, 2020, 02:38:14 pm »

Revenue collection data must skew figures for individual stations even more than for the whole line. The ticket the machine prints for me always says Clifton Down, although I ask for Redland. Probably this doesn't matter but it would be a shame if it did.
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« Reply #212 on: February 12, 2020, 05:57:59 pm »


What SCRP don't say is that revenue collection is at times very poor. How many journeys go uncounted because of this is open to conjecture, but in my estimation it must be a significant number.


Any regular user of the Severn Riviera Express (and I count myself as one) will know that it is a significant number.  I'll carry out bit of unscientific research later today as I'm having a quick pootle to town (Redland to Temple Meads and back) and I'll post on this thread if I see any missed revenue in my carriage.

Caught the delayed (by 11 mins) 12.50 from Redland.  There was a Revenue Protection lady on the platform waiting for the same service so she had plenty of time to dispense tickets to everyone waiting. There was another RP chap already on the train so it looked like no missed tickets.
Returned on the delayed (by 7 minutes) 16.36 from Temple Meads.  Rather a different story.  RP is carried out in a more "passive" manner with the RP person unmoving from the next carriage down and simply opening the doors and conjunction with another person at the head of the train.  Plenty of opportunity to free hop and plenty of those opportunities taken.... largely because of no one coming to sell a ticket rather than blatant avoidance.
So yes, looks like a lot of revenue leakage still but this would add to the argument that the latest figures are about real passenger growth rather than simply improved revenue protection.
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« Reply #213 on: February 12, 2020, 09:19:19 pm »

Your experience, in terms of both delays and patchy revenue collection/protection, matches mine.
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« Reply #214 on: February 12, 2020, 10:16:31 pm »

and not for the "First" time!
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« Reply #215 on: February 13, 2020, 09:32:01 pm »

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...linked to the sustainability of the area, a park-and-ride facility at Severn Beach railway station would be greatly beneficial. It would capture a lot of traffic heading towards Bristol and avoid a large number of car journeys being taken. There is suitable land adjacent to the station, and I have made the case for it to be used for a park and ride. That would benefit those travelling towards Bristol from Gloucestershire and Wales, as the station is conveniently located near the A403 and M4, and those commuting towards work in Avonmouth and Severnside, which is a huge growth area for jobs and industry, as it is a 10-minute journey by train from Severn Beach to Avonmouth.
Source: Jack Lopresti, MP for Filton and Bradley Stoke, Hansard 13 Feb 2020
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« Reply #216 on: February 13, 2020, 10:44:57 pm »

Surprised he didn't mention P*****g just a mile down the road. Would make a much quicker park and ride journey into Bristol.

Unless parking or traffic in Avonmouth is really difficult I can't see why you would cross the bridge and then change onto a train for the last few miles.
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« Reply #217 on: February 13, 2020, 10:47:07 pm »

Surprised he didn't mention P*****g just a mile down the road. Would make a much quicker park and ride journey into Bristol.

Unless parking or traffic in Avonmouth is really difficult I can't see why you would cross the bridge and then change onto a train for the last few miles.
Apologies, just seen Red Squirrel's other post, and don't seem to have the facility to edit out my first comment, which was covered off in the second post. 
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« Reply #218 on: February 13, 2020, 11:49:03 pm »

Surprised he didn't mention P*****g just a mile down the road. Would make a much quicker park and ride journey into Bristol.

Unless parking or traffic in Avonmouth is really difficult I can't see why you would cross the bridge and then change onto a train for the last few miles.
Apologies, just seen Red Squirrel's other post, and don't seem to have the facility to edit out my first comment, which was covered off in the second post. 

I should probably have linked the three sections of his speech that I've quoted, but it was going to get rather complicated...  Smiley
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« Reply #219 on: February 14, 2020, 05:19:59 am »

Surprised he didn't mention P*****g just a mile down the road. Would make a much quicker park and ride journey into Bristol.

Unless parking or traffic in Avonmouth is really difficult I can't see why you would cross the bridge and then change onto a train for the last few miles.
Apologies, just seen Red Squirrel's other post, and don't seem to have the facility to edit out my first comment, which was covered off in the second post. 

There should be a "modify" button at the top right of your post allowing edits.  (Should be there on your own posts until messages are 'archived' - which is a few days.)  No facility to remove a post completely if you want to do that; if you change the text to something like "content deleted" it flags up to the moderators they should tidy up, which often involves little changes to other member's posts before and after to retain thread context into the future.
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« Reply #220 on: February 14, 2020, 09:50:35 am »

There should be a "modify" button at the top right of your post allowing edits. 
Thanks. I was aware of that, as I've had to use it before. But for some strange reason it wasn't there.  As soon as I posted the second message both then did give me the option to edit, but as I couldn't delete the second message decided to leave them both there. Curiouser and curiouser as Alice once said.
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« Reply #221 on: February 14, 2020, 11:14:31 am »

I think both your replies were useful, and led me to clarify. Stet.
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« Reply #222 on: February 14, 2020, 10:28:43 pm »

Here's a crazy suggestion for Bristol, why not bring in a metro bus service   Grin Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #223 on: February 23, 2020, 02:02:19 pm »


What SCRP don't say is that revenue collection is at times very poor. How many journeys go uncounted because of this is open to conjecture, but in my estimation it must be a significant number.


Any regular user of the Severn Riviera Express (and I count myself as one) will know that it is a significant number.  I'll carry out bit of unscientific research later today as I'm having a quick pootle to town (Redland to Temple Meads and back) and I'll post on this thread if I see any missed revenue in my carriage.

Caught the delayed (by 11 mins) 12.50 from Redland.  There was a Revenue Protection lady on the platform waiting for the same service so she had plenty of time to dispense tickets to everyone waiting. There was another RP chap already on the train so it looked like no missed tickets.
Returned on the delayed (by 7 minutes) 16.36 from Temple Meads.  Rather a different story.  RP is carried out in a more "passive" manner with the RP person unmoving from the next carriage down and simply opening the doors and conjunction with another person at the head of the train.  Plenty of opportunity to free hop and plenty of those opportunities taken.... largely because of no one coming to sell a ticket rather than blatant avoidance.
So yes, looks like a lot of revenue leakage still but this would add to the argument that the latest figures are about real passenger growth rather than simply improved revenue protection.

Similar to my experience. Undoubtedly this is a problem across the entire network - I used to witness the same when I lived in SE-England and saw the same between Parson Street and Keynsham yesterday. 
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