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« on: June 20, 2017, 05:43:33 pm »

From the BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-40342666

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Daughter of first baby born on Loganair plane now cabin crew

A teenager whose mother was the first baby born on a Loganair plane has become a member of the cabin crew. Chloe Stott, 18, is the daughter of Katy Stott, who was born 2,000ft above Orkney in 1973 on a special air ambulance flight from the island of Stronsay to Kirkwall.

The aircraft was only a few minutes into the short flight when Katy's mother Freida Devin gave birth. Chloe said she has always wanted to be a cabin crew attendant.

What records are there of births on trains?  Did the children so born or their descendants go on to have further ralway connections?
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 09:39:15 pm »

If you were born in the middle of an ocean on a plane or boat, what would the place of birth on your passport show? Huh
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 09:58:30 pm »

Most lightly to be the port or airport of departure I should think.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2017, 11:50:10 pm »

My Mum knew someone, from her days in the WRAF, who gave birth on a personnel/family flight from RAF Gütersloh, in West Germany, to RAF Wyton in Cambridgeshire. Parents had the option of registering the birth in either the British Consulate in Hanover or in Cambridgeshire. They chose the latter. British whatever they chose.

I myself was born in Rinteln, about 50 miles from RAF Gutersloh, where my parents were stationed. I was therefore registered at the British Consulate.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2017, 12:07:59 am »

If you were born in the middle of an ocean on a plane or boat, what would the place of birth on your passport show? Huh

"At sea", but in the UK, if the ship or aircraft is registered here. If it isn't, presumably the rules are those of its country of registration.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2017, 09:35:23 am »

Or jus sanguinnis. Nationality based on that of one's parents.

I was born in Germany but I am British.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2017, 10:04:05 am »

Or jus sanguinnis. Nationality based on that of one's parents.

I was born in Germany but I am British.

Which demonstrates that nationality is quite different from place of birth - which may be a factor, but only in some cases. And the rules on whether and how it can have changed more than once since the happy event bignosemac refers to.

Returning to the question implied in OP, I can't see any official guidance one what "place of birth" should be registered if you are travelling within the UK, whether within a registration jurisdiction or between them. I guess in practice you go to a register office and they decide.
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2017, 06:21:17 pm »

If you're going to be born in flight, choose you airline carefully.

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A baby who was born prematurely mid-flight has been granted free flights for life.

The child was born yesterday on a Jet Airways flight from Saudi Arabia to India, after the plane got to diverted due to his mother going into premature labour.

Fortunately, there was a trained paramedic onboard and the baby was born before the Boeing 737 landed.

It’s the first mid-flight birth to happen on the India-based airline, which is why they’ve to mark the occasion by giving the baby a lifetime of free flights.

They aren’t the first airline to offer such a generous package.

In 2009, AirAsia awarded unconditional, free flights for life to a baby born during a two-hour flight from Penang to Kuching.

But other airlines care slightly less about the prospect of baby mascots.

Virgin Atlantic once awarded a baby with free flights up to their 21st birthday and British Airways merely offered a baby a free first class ticket on her 18th birthday.

Still, better than nothing.

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 09:40:52 pm »

On 21 October 2002, I had a letter published in The Times:

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Sir, I was moved almost to tears by the latest television commercial for Virgin Trains, which ends with all the passengers rejoicing in the birth of a healthy baby boy.

Is it true that the mother wasn’t even pregnant when she boarded the train?

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 10:55:01 pm »

Fruit flies in my composter can do that seemingly in the time as Redland to Temple Meads on the Severn Riviera Express.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 01:38:24 am »

Fruit flies in my composter can do that seemingly in the time as Redland to Temple Meads on the Severn Riviera Express.

You must be very proud!
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2017, 12:45:23 am »

If you were born in the middle of an ocean on a plane or boat, what would the place of birth on your passport show? Huh

Atlantis.   Wink

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2017, 10:33:40 pm »

There are a number of conventions to cover babies born in international waters or airspace, but they do not have a great number of ratifying states, and different countries follow different conventions. The effect is broadly similar - a child born in no man's land/sea/air will normally assume the nationality of the parents. It will be allocated the nationality of the state of registry of the ship/aircraft only if to do otherwise would render the child stateless. The UK is a signatory to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, rarely if ever invoked. What happens if a child is born to squabbling parents of different nationalities on a plane registered to a third country, I have no idea!

Drifting off-thread, I recall a child being born on a RAF Hercules. Nationality was not in issue - the mother had entered labour with complications on a Scottish island on a night when the weather was atrocious. It was deemed essential that she should got to hospital. The only aircraft capable of evacuating her to hospital was the Hercules, and one was dispatched from RAF Lyneham (since closed) to get her. The child was born on the return leg. The pilot announced the birth to the air traffic control centre by reporting "POB is now 7" - POB being Persons On Board. It ended happily for all concerned.
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