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« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2019, 07:08:02 pm »

The lack of Railcard Discounts on Rail Cornwall is bad. The fare rising from £10.75 to £18 is offensive.
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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2019, 09:18:32 am »

To summarise - had all this confirmed.

Rail Cornwall - valid on trains and buses - £18 with no railcard discount (as buses cannot offer the discount when selling the ticket)

Cornwall Day Ranger - valid on trains only - £12.50 but rail discounts available

The latter has been rather rushed out.  It can be bought from staff and ticket offices.   It will be available on the website shortly with all the T&Cs.
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2019, 10:50:26 am »

 It's still called a Ride Cornwall (Bus & Rail) as opposed to Rail Cornwall and simply Cornwall Ranger for the rail only fare.
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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2019, 10:51:37 am »

Interesting - that is different to the brief I have seen - but certainly for the first one would make sense.
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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2019, 04:44:05 pm »

Ride Cornwall still Ride Cornwall. Now £18 adult, £9 child.
Changes in conditions are:
No railcard discounts
Valid anytime on First Kernow buses but still after 9am Mon-Fri on trains / Plymouth citybus

Cornwall ranger: trains only,   after 9am Mon-Fri, anytime Sat & Sun
All railcard discounts apply but due to many glitches not available yet....
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« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2019, 02:15:32 pm »

The Ride Cornwall product (rail & bus) was just £10 three years ago. Now £18. A whopping 80% increase. Over 100% more if you hold a Railcard. The Railcard price was £8.30 in 2016.

I don't buy the argument that Railcard discounts can't be offered because there is a bus element. Previously the Railcard discount was 17%, instead of the usual 34% precisely because the product was also valid on buses.

Whoever is responsible for the new pricing (remembering that the majority of rail and bus services in Cornwall are provided by First Group) it's still an eye-watering increase.

I'd love to hear an explanation from GWR (who price the product) for what comes across as profiteering from a popular unregulated product. Imagine the outcry if a point to point fare increased by 80% over three years. Inflation over that period is 5.2%.
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« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2019, 02:56:24 pm »

Worth pointing out again, that Cornwall County Council have lifted the 0930 restriction on bus passes, so they are now available all day, every day to locals and tourists alike.
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« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2019, 03:16:37 pm »

Worth pointing out again, that Cornwall County Council have lifted the 0930 restriction on bus passes, so they are now available all day, every day to locals and tourists alike.
(But NOT on Truro Park and Ride services anymore)
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« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2019, 05:38:14 pm »

The Ride Cornwall product (rail & bus) was just £10 three years ago. Now £18. A whopping 80% increase. Over 100% more if you hold a Railcard. The Railcard price was £8.30 in 2016.

But you have to remember that while it was £10 just three years ago, it was £10 over thirteen years ago, so not so bad...
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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2019, 05:56:50 pm »

The Ride Cornwall product (rail & bus) was just £10 three years ago. Now £18. A whopping 80% increase. Over 100% more if you hold a Railcard. The Railcard price was £8.30 in 2016.

But you have to remember that while it was £10 just three years ago, it was £10 over thirteen years ago, so not so bad...

Yes, it was. For many years an excellent value product. What annoys me though is the operator raising the price so steeply over a short period. First from £10 to £13, then £13 to £18. Such steep rises aren't justifiable just because the product has arguably been under-priced in the past. Such products should, I believe, also be regulated in the same way other fares are.
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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2019, 05:57:55 pm »

The Ride Cornwall time restriction has also been removed from the bus element.
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« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2019, 06:27:27 pm »

The Ride Cornwall time restriction has also been removed from the bus element.

Looking back through Wayback Machine, there were no time restrictions on buses early this decade. Searched back to 2011.
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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2019, 07:01:23 pm »

The Ride Cornwall time restriction has also been removed from the bus element.

Looking back through Wayback Machine, there were no time restrictions on buses early this decade. Searched back to 2011.

The restriction was applicable until this price increase. On First Ticketer machines it was greyed out and couldn’t be sold before 9.
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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2019, 09:47:38 pm »

The Ride Cornwall product (rail & bus) was just £10 three years ago. Now £18. A whopping 80% increase. Over 100% more if you hold a Railcard. The Railcard price was £8.30 in 2016.

But you have to remember that while it was £10 just three years ago, it was £10 over thirteen years ago, so not so bad...

Yes, it was. For many years an excellent value product. What annoys me though is the operator raising the price so steeply over a short period. First from £10 to £13, then £13 to £18. Such steep rises aren't justifiable just because the product has arguably been under-priced in the past. Such products should, I believe, also be regulated in the same way other fares are.
I suspect if they were regulated they wouldn't exist in the first place. And I don't see how you can regulate a fare that relies on the co-operation of other transport operators.  They would just pull out if they don't like the income they are getting.

The argument about not having a steep rise if the fare has been under-priced for years seems to be the same one used for keeping fares on the Severn Beach line low.  If the fare is really too low I don't see why it shouldn't be increased to a reasonable amount.  Otherwise you might have the situation where an operator wants to start with a low fare to encourage business, (which must be a reasonable thing to do, and no different to any business looking to get new customers), but can't do that because it will then be criticised (or prevented)when it wants to put the fare up to the right long term level.
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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2019, 10:16:30 pm »

The Ride Cornwall time restriction has also been removed from the bus element.

Looking back through Wayback Machine, there were no time restrictions on buses early this decade. Searched back to 2011.

The restriction was applicable until this price increase. On First Ticketer machines it was greyed out and couldn’t be sold before 9.

A restriction on selling them? What if one is presented before 0900 after being purchased from a station, TVM, or online?
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