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Author Topic: Earlier Service to Cornwall - Jan 2018  (Read 713 times)
Adelante_CCT
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« on: September 09, 2017, 08:50:13 PM »

It has been discussed on a few threads in the past on this forum (currently unable to find them) of a desire for an earlier service from Paddington to Devon/Cornwall with GWR announcing they would be running a 06:37c in the franchise agreement.

Looking into a crystal ball* it would appear that this new service will start in January as follows:

Paddington 06:33
Reading 07:01
Taunton 08:18
Exeter arrives 08:41
Newton Abbot arrives 09:03
Plymouth arrives 09:41
Followed by stations to Penzance arriving at 11:37

As a result, the 07:06 to Penzance and 07:30 to Paignton will swap round back to how it was a few years ago forming the 07:03 to Paignton via Westbury and the 07:30 to Penzance via Bristol.


On a side note the 05:46 from Exeter to Paddington will start back from Plymouth at 04:51 calling at Newton Abbot 05:27 and departs Exeter at 05:52 running slightly later at the following stations but still arriving at Reading 08:07 and Paddington 08:37


In terms of later trains the 19:45 from Paddington to Plymouth becomes the 20:03 and the 20:35 becomes the 21:03

*Please note this crystal ball can malfunction from time to time and is to only be used as a guide to potential services from January
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 09:14:58 PM »

The crystal ball is correct, the WoE timetable has quite a makeover from January with quite a number of changes the main ones being the ones you have listed.
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2017, 09:20:29 PM »

Certainly a step in the right direction.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2017, 09:34:20 PM »

One of the other significant changes is the 10:00 Torbay Express from London Paddington will from January leave at 10:35 and go via the Berks & Hants rather than Bristol.

It will save some confusion at Reading where two trains to the West arrive within four minutes either side of 10:30 - with the first train being the slower one but only available to peak ticket holders, while the faster one accepts off peak tickets.

In the main from January trains for Plymouth and beyond will leave Paddington at XX:03 throughout the day rather than XX:05 or XX:06.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 07:51:05 PM »

All very good, but have you noticed how some of the existing transit times have been stretched by up to 5 mins and in some cases there are extended stops at Plymouth.  This applies in both directions Roll Eyes  Obviously getting ready for slower trains and dividing/combining sets at Plymouth Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 08:07:44 PM »

How on earth do you reach that conclusion?

Clock face timetable means a complete recast. No one yet knows the dwell times.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 08:22:59 PM »

If you look at the all day service pattern in the RTT link posted above you will see what I mean.....
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 08:27:57 PM »

1234 Paddington - Taunton 1435 apparently gets a restaurant, according to the draft timetable, from January 2018.

That must be an error.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2017, 10:25:28 PM »

All very good, but have you noticed how some of the existing transit times have been stretched by up to 5 mins and in some cases there are extended stops at Plymouth.  This applies in both directions Roll Eyes  Obviously getting ready for slower trains and dividing/combining sets at Plymouth Tongue

Loads of trains get delay minutes at Plymouth, as the dwell times aren't long enough.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 10:32:50 AM »

An example of the extended time is the 0505 Penzance to London Paddington which will have the same departure time at Penzance as now and will arrive into London Paddington one minute later than now.  However, its Plymouth call will be 0649 to 0653 (two minutes earler than now) so the Plymouth journey time has been extended by three minutes overall.  That is only one example, others have a much longer journey time extension from intermediate stations.... Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 10:52:50 AM »

Isn't there going to be a new 2019 timetable, once all the IEPs are in service? Dwell times with auto door closing will be much reduced then.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 01:16:22 PM »

All very good, but have you noticed how some of the existing transit times have been stretched by up to 5 mins and in some cases there are extended stops at Plymouth.  This applies in both directions Roll Eyes  Obviously getting ready for slower trains and dividing/combining sets at Plymouth Tongue

Loads of trains get delay minutes at Plymouth, as the dwell times aren't long enough.

One of the problems at Plymouth is many trains have catering stores loaded or unloaded there.  It would help if onboard staff could direct passengers wishing to alight to alternative doors.  At present Rail Gourmet have to wait for all the passengers wishing to leave from the door adjacent to the buffet coach to get off before they can get the ramp to the train and load the supplies.   It is a particular issue when putting on the modules for the Pullmans but also affects almost all HST services as they take on buffet stock at Plymouth.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 08:28:07 PM »

1234 Paddington - Taunton 1435 apparently gets a restaurant, according to the draft timetable, from January 2018.
I also note that the return working of this train which leaves Taunton at 1533 and called at Castle Cary, Westbury, Pewsey, Newbury, Reading and London Paddington is followed just 31 minutes later by the 1454 Paignton to Paddington which has the same stopping pattern except for Newbury.  Quite an intensive service for some of the stations on the Berks & Hants.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2017, 12:53:33 AM »

The crystal ball is correct, the WoE timetable has quite a makeover from January with quite a number of changes the main ones being the ones you have listed.
Just looked on OpenTrainTimes and found this so the Crystal ball is certainly in good order.

1A71 0451 Plymouth - London Paddington
http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C55276/2018-01-24

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