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« on: September 13, 2017, 10:37:37 AM »

By contrast I had a trip on the Isle of Wight Ryde to Shanklin service this summer. You'd be hard pressed to find ride quality that bad on most preserved lines ! I'd be amazed if it isn't getting close to safety limits. Through the platforms (and I assume elsewhere ?) it seems to be old bull head rail with shingle ballast. It feels like there is plenty of track twist causing the stock to continually roll. The line speed is around 50 mph ! It felt so bad in places I decided to sit at the back of the second coach.... There is absolutely no way that we would tolerate ride quality that bad on our heritage line. Ironically most of our track is more modern and built to a far higher standard.

The Isle of Wight is something of an oddball in the new SWR franchise;  last night's presentation by SWR was all about "all of our trains" ... but there was in most categories an exception made for the IOW units.  Not fitting WiFi, power points, accessible toilets, passenger counters at door on a third of units.  Didn't see an "except 483" in the fitting of track monitoring equipment to 40% of units, but I would be surprised.  I don't think there's a coherent / widely shared view as to where and how the line will carry on into the future; I sensed a positiveness that the longer term should be thought about at the presentation, a diary comment that told us that time is being put into considering the IoW at the very top of SWR, but little in the way of a clear plan ahead being in place.

Probably worth splitting this off / separate IOW thread under South Western Railways?
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2017, 10:47:49 AM »

By contrast I had a trip on the Isle of Wight Ryde to Shanklin service this summer. You'd be hard pressed to find ride quality that bad on most preserved lines ! I'd be amazed if it isn't getting close to safety limits. Through the platforms (and I assume elsewhere ?) it seems to be old bull head rail with shingle ballast.

Welcome to the forum.

If I remember correctly the IOW 'ballast' has always been shingle as it would be logistically impossible to 'import' the amount of ballast required.  In my view Bullhead rail is entirely acceptable for such an isolated railway system, but then I am an S&T Engineer by trade and not a PWay Engineer... Roll Eyes Wink
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2017, 06:08:37 PM »

Probably worth splitting this off / separate IOW thread under South Western Railways?

Now done.  Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2017, 09:21:38 PM »

I don't think there's a coherent / widely shared view as to where and how the line will carry on into the future; I sensed a positiveness that the longer term should be thought about at the presentation, a diary comment that told us that time is being put into considering the IoW at the very top of SWR, but little in the way of a clear plan ahead being in place.

There should be a clear plan very soon - SWR will soon consult on their proposals so they can deliver a costed plan to the DfT early next year - 'more modern' replacement rolling stock and a new loop around Brading to allow a 30min interval service (instead of 20/40 mins at present) are both expected to feature.

http://www.islandecho.co.uk/first-mtr-south-western-to-take-over-island-line/
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2017, 10:02:15 PM »

Lots and lots of stock corporate PR quotes in the article. Not unlike the short of guff issued about keeping the Cadburys factory open in Keynsham to help ease the takeover bid through. Outcome; factory closed and sold for flats a few months post takeover. I'm not optimistic.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 08:50:18 AM »

The IoW railway is a vertically integrated railway  Huh this means in normal speak NR technically own the infrastructure but are not required to fun its maintenance and renewal SWR are responsible for all the assets, although the electrical power is controlled by Eastleigh ECR not sure about signalling.  NR do audits from time to time.

The problem with the line it only makes money for a few weeks of the year
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 11:02:06 PM »

The IoW railway is a vertically integrated railway  Huh this means in normal speak NR technically own the infrastructure but are not required to fun its maintenance and renewal SWR are responsible for all the assets, although the electrical power is controlled by Eastleigh ECR not sure about signalling.  NR do audits from time to time.

The problem with the line it only makes money for a few weeks of the year

As I understand it, under the lease the operator is responsible for day to day maintenance but Network Rail remains in charge of renewals and major works.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2017, 11:06:47 PM »

As I understand it ... Network Rail remains in charge of renewals and major works.

Oh, sh ... urely not.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2017, 09:14:25 PM »

The IoW railway is a vertically integrated railway  Huh this means in normal speak NR technically own the infrastructure but are not required to fun its maintenance and renewal SWR are responsible for all the assets, although the electrical power is controlled by Eastleigh ECR not sure about signalling.  NR do audits from time to time.

The problem with the line it only makes money for a few weeks of the year

As I understand it, under the lease the operator is responsible for day to day maintenance but Network Rail remains in charge of renewals and major works.

I am not to sure about the major / renewals funding, the lease operator is supposed   Shocked to had back the asset in the same condition as they took it over
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