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Author Topic: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway since September 2017 - ongoing discussion  (Read 427096 times)
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« Reply #480 on: March 11, 2018, 13:53:53 »

.... and another woe to rugby fans, a points failure between Swansea and Cardiff.
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« Reply #481 on: March 11, 2018, 16:39:27 »

Nonsensical wording but some minor good news.............


17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00


17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00 will be reinstated.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
Will be formed of 10 coaches.
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« Reply #482 on: March 11, 2018, 16:55:25 »

Nonsensical wording but some minor good news.............


17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00


17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00 will be reinstated.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
Will be formed of 10 coaches.
Need to leave the ground NOW to have any chance of catching it mind.
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« Reply #483 on: March 11, 2018, 17:07:38 »

You're currently fortunate enough to enjoy those terms and conditions and no-one can blame you for taking advantage of them, it's not the fault of individual employees however the world has moved on in the decades since BR (British Rail(ways)) and most people get used to variations in their working practices (even the Civil Service!).

Nearly! As a former Civil Servant of many years' standing (plus quite a few sitting down) I was never required to work weekends or evenings. Over the years, I took on a number of job roles that could not be done during office hours alone, and worked many weekends and other unsocial hours. I was paid a decent premium, the eventual withdrawal of which fortunately coincided with me deciding that I had enough money and preferred free time instead.
As the world moved towards a 24/7 model, so did my former department. New staff for contact centres were recruited with terms of employment that included variable shift patterns including some weekends. They didn't mind, as it was exactly what they had applied for.

Then, a couple of years back, that same department launched a campaign to get everyone on the same terms, including those who like me weren't employed as the office equivalent of battery chickens. After much talking to the unions, a deal was hammered out, which made adoption of the new contract purely voluntary, but with a bigger pay rise that year for all who agreed to it. I signed up, and my new terms and conditions came into force on the 1st of the following month.

The point is that even the Civil Service saw the benefit of persuasion as opposed to threats and coercion. New railway staff are needed, and at first sight it would seem to make sense to hire them on terms that are more favourable to the company, and maybe offer inducements to existing employees to switch. Retirements and resignations will soon whittle down the numbers on "legacy" contracts. The problem, though, is that whereas my old department will continue in some form indefinitely,  First might find themselves handing their staff over to another company before any negotiations have really got under way. That process would be greatly complicated by having staff employed on a variety of different terms. To make matters even more tricky, many of them have skills of a very portable kind, in considerable demand by other companies. My thinking is that First can't completely solve the problem alone, but that no-one else is going to help them do it.

How did I get on with my new conditions? Having put it off until after the pay rise, I retired 10 days later. I can see similar being a danger for GWR (Great Western Railway) too.
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« Reply #484 on: March 11, 2018, 17:25:31 »

Could be unpleasant at Bristol TM(resolve) and Bath Spa over the next hour with both 1705 and the 1730 (ex Plymouth) to Paddington both canned. I can imagine all those turfed off the Plymouth train werent too pleased. Neither will everyone be when all those from the 1705 and 1730 all try and get on the 1805 from Paignton to London.

Spare a thought for all those GWR (Great Western Railway) staff who ARE working today having to deal with the fallout from all this from the platform staff to the Train Managers on the services that are running.
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« Reply #485 on: March 11, 2018, 17:29:38 »

Could be unpleasant at Bristol TM(resolve) and Bath Spa over the next hour with both 1705 and the 1730 (ex Plymouth) to Paddington both canned. I can imagine all those turfed off the Plymouth train werent too pleased. Neither will everyone be when all those from the 1705 and 1730 all try and get on the 1805 from Paignton to London.

Spare a thought for all those GWR (Great Western Railway) staff who ARE working today having to deal with the fallout from all this from the platform staff to the Train Managers on the services that are running.

..............and bear in mind that GWR's Twitter feed is advising people whose direct London trains from Cardiff have been cancelled to go to Bristol TM and change there......could get a bit messy.

..........and this won't help either!

Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough the line towards Slough is disrupted.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 11/03.
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« Reply #486 on: March 11, 2018, 17:41:04 »

Oh no, with reports coming in of services that are running being absolutely rammed, the last thing you need is a signal fault between Slough and London!

I really feel for those travelling on GWR (Great Western Railway) right now.
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« Reply #487 on: March 11, 2018, 17:46:05 »

Nonsensical wording but some minor good news.............


17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00


17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00 will be reinstated.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
Will be formed of 10 coaches.
Don’t wish to burst your positive bubble TG, but to run this service they cancelled the service before the 1551 Swansea to London train at Cardiff. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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« Reply #488 on: March 11, 2018, 18:36:22 »

And from the front page of the GWR (Great Western Railway) website...
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« Reply #489 on: March 11, 2018, 19:02:06 »

Nonsensical wording but some minor good news.............
17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00
17:22 Cardiff Central to London Paddington due 20:00 will be reinstated.
This is due to a shortage of train drivers.
Will be formed of 10 coaches.
Don’t wish to burst your positive bubble TG, but to run this service they cancelled the service before the 1551 Swansea to London train at Cardiff. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

On RTT» (Real Time Trains - website) 1L82 canned at CDF» (Cardiff - next trains) due to an unknown reason (TZ), stock held in Platform 1 and departed as 1Z50 at 1723 1/2 vs 1722, wonder if pax already on 1L82 were turfed off the set only to have to join the scrum to get back on the same set and probably not be able to sit in same seats even if seats were reserved and occupied from stations west of CDF.
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« Reply #490 on: March 11, 2018, 19:10:23 »

You’d hope common sense prevailed and that they were allowed to stay on the train.
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« Reply #491 on: March 16, 2018, 16:45:11 »

Due to a shortage of train drivers between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice:
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
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« Reply #492 on: March 16, 2018, 17:08:43 »

I didn;t think there was a London Underground station near Hayes & Harlington?
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« Reply #493 on: March 16, 2018, 18:00:26 »

I didn;t think there was a London Underground station near Hayes & Harlington?

Bus to Uxbridge, Ealing or Heathrow. Then take your pick of Piccadilly, Metropolitan, Central or District lines.

This is starting to make Southern/GTR look professional
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« Reply #494 on: March 16, 2018, 18:36:22 »

I didn;t think there was a London Underground station near Hayes & Harlington?

Bus to Uxbridge, Ealing or Heathrow. Then take your pick of Piccadilly, Metropolitan, Central or District lines.

This is starting to make Southern/GTR look professional

Welcome to the forum, Nick.  Where there's a pattern that takes in Southern, Northern and Western, perhaps the problem lies not (entirely ?) with them but in the system or at some common point?
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