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Author Topic: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway since September 2017 - ongoing discussion  (Read 424480 times)
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« Reply #2010 on: May 29, 2023, 15:06:41 »

There’s no automated procedure, though at larger stations the turnaround cleaning team carry stock and can replenish it.  Not sure if that’s the case at Penzance but I would have thought it would be. Reporting it to the TM(resolve) is a good idea if you get chance.

I have had it confirmed by a Cornish friend that 6 days a week toilet paper supplies will indeed be replenished at Penzance where required, however this cannot be guaranteed on Sundays as it is not within the wiping week.
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« Reply #2011 on: June 01, 2023, 09:49:15 »


I have had it confirmed by a Cornish friend that 6 days a week toilet paper supplies will indeed be replenished at Penzance where required, however this cannot be guaranteed on Sundays as it is not within the wiping week.

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« Reply #2012 on: June 01, 2023, 11:25:01 »


I think 9 cars DO run to Newquay but recall an issue in having two of them pass each other at Goonbarrow

I think the problem lies at St Blazey
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« Reply #2013 on: June 01, 2023, 11:33:37 »


I think 9 cars DO run to Newquay but recall an issue in having two of them pass each other at Goonbarrow

I think the problem lies at St Blazey
Or was it because two 5 cars are unable to pass at Goonbarrow.
Think II mentioned something a while ago, but can't find the post
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« Reply #2014 on: June 01, 2023, 17:19:57 »

Here's the tale of the two trains that couldn't pass.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=26609.msg324623#msg324623
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« Reply #2015 on: June 02, 2023, 01:04:08 »


I think 9 cars DO run to Newquay but recall an issue in having two of them pass each other at Goonbarrow

I think the problem lies at St Blazey

The TPR (The Pensions Regulator) has a table of rules about passing trains at St Blazey signal box (i.e. in Par Loop). The specific notes there are:
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If possible, down train should not pass/depart Par until Up train has arrived at St Blazey.

Par cannot accept an Up train from St Blazey while a 9 or 10 car Class 80x is held at SB40 signal due to fouling Par 42pts.

Please note - If trains are crossing at St Blazey Signal Box, the Up train must ALWAYS arrive first.

If the Up train is longer than 130m it is preferable to cross at Goonbarrow Junction.

In the case on 12/8/22 that went wrong it was the down train that arrived first, as it was timetabled to.

Quite why this is an issue is not obvious, as the clear space in the loop is about 400 m.

For Goonbarrow, the TPR says:
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Operation of 10-car 80x requires special arrangements if crossing another service at Goonbarrow Junction

There are also some notices in the Western Sectional Appendix. For Goonbarrow, this:
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GW660 - PAR TO NEWQUAY
Goonbarrow Jn (G) SB (Signal Box)
Due to restricted passing loop length at Goonbarrow, only 5 and 9 car IET (Intercity Express Train)’s are allowed to operate on the branch.
Dated: 09/03/19

The clear length of the loop given in the WSA is 224 m, i.e. less than the length of a 9-car IET at 234 m. However, that's not the length of the whole loop, as a passing loop on the main line - that's over 300 m. Signal positions will dictate how length is usable. It looks as if there is always plenty of space on the Up Main, and enough space on the Down Main to convert all passing operations into Down passes Up ones.

For St Blazey Jn, there is this which is still not updated:
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Working of HSTs (High Speed Train) or 2 x Voyager DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit) when booked to cross. If any Down train consisting of an HST, or two Class 220/221 DMUs coupled together, is stopped or nearly stopped at St. Blazey Down Home signal (SB.40) before the signal clears, the driver must be prepared to stop at a red handsignal displayed from St. Blazey signal box.

If a red handsignal is displayed, the driver must stop the train short of the foot crossing.

After the Up train has passed and a token has been given to the Down train’s driver, the St. Blazey signaller will display a green handsignal as authority to proceed.

The above method of working may be necessary if an Up train of similar length is to be crossed but the Down train needs to stand clear of pointwork at Par.
Dated: 05/12/15

I couldn't say what that's about. I'm also mystified by the incompatibility of these two documents.
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« Reply #2016 on: June 02, 2023, 10:30:36 »

The TPR (The Pensions Regulator) has a table of rules about passing trains at St Blazey signal box (i.e. in Par Loop). The specific notes there are:

Clicking to expand the abbreviation "TPR", I'm told that this is "The Pensions Regulator". Really?
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« Reply #2017 on: June 02, 2023, 19:31:23 »

The TPR (The Pensions Regulator) has a table of rules about passing trains at St Blazey signal box (i.e. in Par Loop). The specific notes there are:

Clicking to expand the abbreviation "TPR", I'm told that this is "The Pensions Regulator". Really?

The Timetable Planning Rules (I added those quotes as a rather late afterthought) are part of the Operational Rules data set, together with the EAS (Engineering Access Statement). That at least is findable via a link in the list of information for operators. The Sectional Appendix has a page of its own, but I don't think there's a link to it. Whether either is "well-known" is open to question.
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« Reply #2018 on: June 17, 2023, 07:50:44 »

Summer Saturday, people planning a trip into Cornwall, but......

Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake

Due to a shortage of train crew between Plymouth and Gunnislake fewer trains are able to run on the line.
Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:24 17/06.
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« Reply #2019 on: June 17, 2023, 09:57:44 »

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Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake

Due to a shortage of train crew between Plymouth and Gunnislake fewer trains are able to run on the line.
Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:24 17/06.

Service resuming with the 10:24, so first couple of return trips cancelled at 06:27 and 08:22 from Plymouth and return.  I don’t know how busy the Gunnislake branch is on a Saturday, but I would guess the first of those would be pretty quiet?
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« Reply #2020 on: June 17, 2023, 11:09:14 »

Summer Saturday, people planning a trip into Cornwall, but......

Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake

Due to a shortage of train crew between Plymouth and Gunnislake fewer trains are able to run on the line.
Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:24 17/06.
But in reverse -
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington due 12:29
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington due 12:29 will be started from Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Penzance, St Erth, Hayle, Camborne, Redruth, Truro, St Austell, Par, Bodmin Parkway, Liskeard, St Germans and Saltash.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
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12:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 17:29
12:18 Penzance to London Paddington due 17:29 will be terminated at Exeter St Davids.
It will no longer call at Tiverton Parkway, Taunton, Reading and London Paddington.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
And
14:20 Penzance to London Paddington due 19:29
14:20 Penzance to London Paddington due 19:29 will be terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Totnes, Newton Abbot, Exeter St Davids, Tiverton Parkway, Taunton, Reading and London Paddington.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
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« Reply #2021 on: June 17, 2023, 17:55:39 »

Transwilts shut for the rest of the day due to crew shortage - all services cancelled.

Everyone gone to the beach?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23596403.swindon-great-western-railway-trains-hit-staff-issues/
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« Reply #2022 on: June 17, 2023, 18:48:56 »

Interestingly they've found enough crew to run three or four extra Falmouths tonight for the Sea Shanty festival  which GWR (Great Western Railway) didn't seem to know about in advance
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« Reply #2023 on: June 17, 2023, 19:34:12 »

It's just so dispiriting to realise that this subject has been worthy of noting and remarking about since 2017, and yet here we are 5 years later and if anything the situation is far worse than it was even then, certainly on services through Melksham which are a lottery at the best of times.
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« Reply #2024 on: June 18, 2023, 13:49:32 »

Sadly (for the customers at least) it seems that GWR (Great Western Railway) BBQ season is now underway.
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